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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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wilshere host and we have another great

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one for you this evening first of all i

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want to say that

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i am running the everything else show um

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that comes up periodically on it's on

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youtube only on this channel it does

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have its own separate playlist on

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on my youtube channel and uh it's

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basically about things that interest

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myself and i i got kind of a lot of

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flack last week for doing a show on

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climate change that i didn't have uh

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people on both sides of the so-called

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science uh i i

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i think the science is on one side

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myself but that's my own opinion

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um and i i really care a lot for this

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planet so that was important to me so

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that's what i do the show for i do the

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show for things that interest me if

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you're not interested it's only on my

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youtube channel i don't put it on my

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podcast

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uh you know audio so um if you're not

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interested that's fine it's just the

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things that interest me and i do have

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some shows coming up i have a paranormal

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one coming up on a sunday uh in a week

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not next sunday the sunday after

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and then i have a couple of other ones

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lined up the way you're going to see

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that is if you click on subscribe on

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this channel and the little bell and

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that way you'll get the notifications on

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that tonight the guests we have dr bob

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davis and dave beatty and both of them

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have been on the show before dave has

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the nimitz film that's on youtube it's

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just near cresting 5 million views so he

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did a wonderful job with that and he has

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uh besides the main topic tonight he's

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going to be talking about something i

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just he just told me ahead of the show i

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had no idea um about this encounter

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we're going to be talking about

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they have both these gentlemen here are

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putting together a film and it's uh

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called the consciousness connection

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and a lot of people have contacted me in

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the over the last year it seems that

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want to know more about the ufo and

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consciousness i've asked other people

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about that

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honestly i'll be i really have no exact

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idea what that means but it will be

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interesting to talk about this um

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tonight with them so it's called the

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consciousness connection they have some

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really great people that are going to be

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on this documentary

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and they're talking about the ufo

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phenomenon of course there's a relation

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to that plus near death experiences

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experiences out of body body experiences

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um healing with intent and all kinds of

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interesting things quantum theory

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um among others so we're going to go

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into that the uh blog this week

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you will never hear

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title like this

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anywhere for a blog i don't think it's

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ufos and conjunctive conjunctivitis

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yes that's the name of it and uh it's

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still a really interesting blog

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i'm very happy with uh

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charles leary does a wonderful job job

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and an audio uh blog as well so i'm

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going to bring in my guests

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uh cotton sipping coffee dr bob davis

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thanks so much for being willing to be

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on the show before we jump right into

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movie or whatever just so people know i

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don't know who wants to start but um i

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think we should we will start with you

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bob since you're over here uh your your

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background and what what got you

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interested in you know the research that

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you're doing and kind of in a nutshell

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i uh once i retired i saw two orange

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sedona arizona and that lit me up a bit

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so i felt the need to express that

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because i wrote and lectured all my life

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and i couldn't turn it off so i i wrote

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the ufo phenomenon kind of a history 101

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objective i would write a ufo story

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for several reasons but then i had to

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share death experience and i wrote life

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after death an analysis of the evidence

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my new my my colleague and lab assistant

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it was a sense of doing this later that

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morning she did so i wrote that book

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life after death and that's where you

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and then i wrote on gene force's

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integration of science reality in you so

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turned me on to ufo was listening i

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recall a gemini mission one afternoon i

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i remember that one yeah yeah that lit

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city 65 when there were articles coming

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all of us were turned on for so many

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different reasons besides star trek and

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then some it came with our culture i

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think so we're more than caught up and

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passionate about this now like we did

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dreyfus and uh you know making mashed

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close encapsulate the third kind and i'm

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advocating we should make t-shirts of

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that picture okay and anybody interested

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in doing that well we'll hand it out

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at some you know washington washington

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disclosure which is unlikely anytime

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uh and the way the public truly wants it

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retirement i can do what i want to do

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but i can't apply the scientific method

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requested so i'm sorry no no that's

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that's that's pretty much a nutshell i

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too so uh thank you very much for that

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now it's your turn dave

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hey thanks martin i appreciate it um

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secondary interest in ufo studies

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move on field investigator down here

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santa rosa sound up there

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the case of the nimitz which um you know

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skills which i had you know

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television journalist i had moved into

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television production and you know done

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recreation of that event using some 3d

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computer graphics and um so i i

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about the content and people are really

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that were in the navy that had come

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i was in indeed able to break some more

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follow up on some of these cases very

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free at the time and i let people use it

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for the most part people did but i think

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that you know there was uh the whole

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second side of that were there were some

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people that were using my material in a

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skeptical manner kind of mock the whole

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event and and try to show that it was bs

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and that sort of thing and for those

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people i mean i was you know there was a

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couple things where i was able to get

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video taken down from a very large

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influencer on youtube and him and his

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followers were not happy um and

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you know he eventually was threatening

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in offline i said look man if he just

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probably would have let you use it in in

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any regard that you wanted and maybe you

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using it in your video you know without

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on that youtube flag so yeah uh he could

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put his video back up but for the most

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to talk a little bit about the gulf

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breeze

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because um i've you know there's there's

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a little bit of controversy as you know

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uh and so what is this what is the story

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that uh you know and i'm just touching

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the surface because i i haven't done any

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deep dive into that case at all but uh

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the supposedly they his house was sold

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and they found a model of a ufo that

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matched something that was in one of the

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pictures in the garage underneath some

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insulation in the attic or something

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so what's what what are your thoughts on

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that in general was that particular yeah

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so at ed walters i mean the the case

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itself emerged i forget which year it

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was

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late 80s or early 90s and

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um ed walters wrote a book

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co-authored with his wife about this

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experience he had

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and um it was being sort of investigated

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by at the time retired navy optical

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physicist bruce mcavee so bruce mcabee

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was up there um providing sort of the

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scientific

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part of ed's

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uh book where ed was taking pictures of

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these objects

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and having personal experiences with

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them and then bruce was sort of helping

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him along with the photo analysis and so

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on

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um

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but you know concurrently with this

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ed walters stuff there was all this

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other stuff going on in gulf breeze with

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many numerous multiple witness sightings

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in fact you know like i said this was an

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ongoing event where people would go down

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to shoreline park and gulp breeze

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on a nightly basis and see these ufos

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they nicknamed it bubba

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and usually at night it would appear as

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a red light

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you know sometimes

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making very unusual movements um i don't

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know all the specific details and i

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never personally when i was up there on

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the few occasions visiting my mom i

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never got to see it although i did try i

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mean it was out there with my camera

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um

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so yeah so regarding the what i know

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about the the model

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it seems there's there's some people

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that say yeah this smoking gut obviously

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was a hoax but then you know mcabee

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points out that

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that model never appeared in any one of

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um ed walters photos and there were some

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other circumstances that kind of um shed

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some shade on could have this been

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planted by somebody that was trying to

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debunk his case in a way that would be

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you know pretty unprofessional

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um

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that's the one thing that you know kind

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of stands out as oh look here's a model

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that some guy made that everything else

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he's ever said and did in the whole book

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is a hoax

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i don't know that that's the case and i

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think that there's some pretty strong

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counter evidence against it i know that

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you know it was

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detail of why it couldn't have been um

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planted there by walters and so on

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huh how about that very interesting all

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right well let's do uh let's jump into

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uh

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bob do you want to handle the

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what your your project is and how that

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came about

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well after uh after i wrote the last

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book on scene forces

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uh

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things about my thoughts of

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consciousness and reality and the

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complexity of it all

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is to

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take the chance and send out some

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information about what i had in mind to

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turn it into a documentary if possible

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because during my writings i always felt

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for some odd reason that this would be

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a good documentary at least a foundation

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for one

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um so what the first person i sent it to

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the

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inquiry was believe it or not not

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knowing

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the outcome

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of this individual in the form of a

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documentary the nimitz encounter with

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dave baby

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we had lunch and uh we took it forward

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from there and now we've

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collected a large group of experts in a

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diverse range of fields from medical

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doctors psychologists experiencers those

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who interact with phenomena of varying

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times ufo included and not

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like esp alterations of consciousness

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near death and out-of-body experiences

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and we've collected a group of

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extraordinary scientists uh and again

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experiences who will address these

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issues the fundamental issue however is

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consciousness which seems to tie and not

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surprisingly all of the anomalous

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experiences that people can't explain so

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um

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we're doing

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fundraising efforts so that we could

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interview these individuals

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who are all over the world in part uh

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largely across the united states but

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it's not cheap to move a filming crew a

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large distance us that's the the

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awkwardness of being a co-producer on

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this documentary

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which can be found in consciousness

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films.info

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uh the details of our

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people who are involved uh are

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noteworthy uh from gary nolan to dean

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rayden uh we go into detail as much as

417
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you like about them but we have people

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in even the uap fields uh gary

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and grant cameron and

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kathy martin

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um they had other experiences with evan

422
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alexander and dr jeff long

423
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transpersonal events that are altering

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people's world views philosophical

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values and how best it captured that

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but to present it with the professional

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filmmaking crew and dreamtime

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entertainment and hopefully funding

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permitted get it on pbs nova documentary

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which is our goal

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or at least netflix something like that

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fundings

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you know provided of course so ideally

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organizations uh we're looking at and

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have

436
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um and it's interesting but rather

437
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awkward uh

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load uh especially during retirement

439
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um but i can't turn it off i have to use

440
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my mind in some way and i

441
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i thought it'd be a little creative you

442
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:02,800
know the few years i got left whatever

443
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that means you know uh it's complex and

444
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it's more complex in a struggle with

445
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left brain but that's what but

446
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fortunately i have somebody like dave to

447
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work with

448
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yeah yeah top notch uh so what is i i'm

449
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gonna ask probably a kind of a weird

450
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question because i i hear varying

451
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descriptions when someone says the ufo

452
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and consciousness connection or you know

453
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what is what do we

454
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:30,559
how do we describe consciousness i know

455
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:33,280
that's probably kind of a lay term but

456
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:36,480
it's a often misused poorly defined term

457
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uh despite the fact that thousands of

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scholars so far far smaller than i uh

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ever can ever imagine i'd have addressed

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that in the form of hundreds of

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thousands of papers and lectures and

462
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:48,640
scholarly venues and we still don't know

463
00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:51,760
what it is even throwing 2022 at it tom

464
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campbell who was also in a documentary

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throughout the simulation virtual

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reality system an avatar of some sort is

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is creating all of this and with the

468
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players but

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um

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as a co-founder of the out of monroe

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institute who worked with um

472
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bob monroe

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uh people don't know that uh and and

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wrote the book and in our documentary he

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will give you that answer i i talk to a

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physician who's going to knock me out

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for surgery and it's in the form of

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pulpit fall

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through an ib uh the psychologist says

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something else let alone the philosopher

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and the theologian so

482
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it's discipline specific it's fragmented

483
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we have a biases of course but we've

484
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looked at now 2022 comes along we have

485
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quantum physics

486
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newtonian principles can't address this

487
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the aspect of consciousness but we do

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know it exists the subjective essence of

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life and reality

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and

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that essence simply can't be captured by

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the body although that's conscious too

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organs interact with each other and this

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is the point information exchange is my

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best

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00:19:02,630 --> 00:18:59,280
guess right now what consciousness is

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from a desk in front of us a camera

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uh not a lie but it's giving you

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information

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of some type it could be sensory in

501
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nature of course but but it's necessary

502
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in the 3d world we have however

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consciousness may very well exist

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far more complex and in degree than just

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that

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and

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we have information exchanged at the

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highest level at least like right here

509
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given to human of course we see evidence

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of it being

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verified in laboratory settings without

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question in other words esp is real

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which means consciousness is real

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non-local communication between two

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people despite the physical boundaries

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of space and time and this has been

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demonstrated time and time again but

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it's often statistical in nature you see

519
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and

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that raises this important point

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consciousness is it a byproduct of the

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brain

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and now

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seem to be shifting along with quantum

525
00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:00,480
mechanics which is what we call a

526
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paranormal today is going to be the

527
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quantum mechanics of the future

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the point is science is now

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tending to explain the the ignomatic

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experiences people are having in the

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form of other body and their death

532
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experiences which the medical community

533
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recognizes

534
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this should not be stigmatized in any

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way let alone the uap phenomenon esp

536
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,559
apparitions it goes on and on

537
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consciousness seems to be a variable and

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probably the most critical one the

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foundation upon which all this gives

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rise

541
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and that's what the film is about

542
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consciousness the complexity of it is

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beyond language

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we don't have the concepts criteria to

545
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even define many of these terms

546
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near-death experience nde antibodies

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in some ways we do but it since we don't

548
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understand how can language accurately

549
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,400
describe what people are saying when

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they interact in an altered state of

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consciousness near that and describing

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what we all know the unconditional love

553
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the beautiful

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environmental landscape that they don't

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center around the earth doesn't sense

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around them there's ego dissolution and

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a transpersonal experience results an

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alteration of personal philosophical

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values from that moment forward

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that's a peak experience and that's what

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in part

562
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:20,480
that film is about so

563
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,840
let the reader figure out or the viewer

564
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:25,440
makes sense of the information we'll

565
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:27,840
present about consciousness because it

566
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:29,360
means so many different things in a

567
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,480
global way

568
00:21:33,750 --> 00:21:32,640
but it's fragmented by discipline and

569
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,760
bias

570
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,480
and religion we incorporate that too

571
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:38,240
we're not talking about dissimilar

572
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,200
things spirituality and science must be

573
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:43,600
integrated into coherent whole and

574
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,280
that's the important issue

575
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:47,679
uh but consciousness is a fundamental

576
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:50,080
aspect of that

577
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,679
really and

578
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,120
you know there's there's

579
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,280
a lot of times i i'll just have a

580
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:57,840
feeling that we just know so little

581
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,200
about the world

582
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:01,200
that's right here around us

583
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:03,840
you know and and and you know just just

584
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,600
you trying to describe that

585
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,280
it's so complex

586
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,159
um that i still don't know any more than

587
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,520
when you started

588
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,960
you know um

589
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:14,640
i'm sort of with you martin because i'm

590
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,919
a i'm more of a filmmaker and you know

591
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,960
i'm not a

592
00:22:21,909 --> 00:22:20,159
scientist

593
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,919
and when bob you know first approached

594
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,120
me to

595
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:25,840
talk about this project and i became

596
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:27,919
aware of his work in in

597
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:29,919
reading about this the first thing that

598
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,159
i thought was look i need to um research

599
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:36,880
some of the scientists that bob is

600
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:39,840
bringing forward um as as part as this

601
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:43,039
team of experts and try to find out what

602
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,400
they're saying and the first question i

603
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,320
had was well you know what is

604
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:48,559
consciousness because obviously

605
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,520
you know

606
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:51,600
science scientists are teaching their

607
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,559
students

608
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,039
at the college level and graduate level

609
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,520
um that are going into different fields

610
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,159
such as um psychology and you know

611
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,960
neuroscience so what is the leading

612
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,520
theory of what is consciousness and

613
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,520
you know the fact is i think you know

614
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,200
bob was saying well there's lots of

615
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,520
opinions that's true but the main uh

616
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:13,600
opinion is that

617
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,039
what you would consider you and me the

618
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,440
in our brain what we think of as i being

619
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:21,600
aware is sort of consciousness and that

620
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,039
they say that

621
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:24,960
the brain itself

622
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,559
creates consciousness as a electro

623
00:23:32,630 --> 00:23:31,039
chemical process of the brain so in

624
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,640
other words everything that we are

625
00:23:38,549 --> 00:23:34,720
everything we see and experience in our

626
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,559
brain is being created by our brains

627
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,960
and a lot of the people that were on

628
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,120
bob's team seemed to disagree with that

629
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,880
so when i started looking at all of

630
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,279
their work and began reading their books

631
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,760
um you know diane hennessey powell and

632
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,120
tom campbell

633
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,840
and jeffrey long and dean rayden they

634
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,240
all seem to be saying something else

635
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:58,960
which is there's a lot of evidence

636
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:00,799
there's a lot of evidence

637
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,880
that consciousness is not being created

638
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:07,440
by the brain in other words like

639
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,320
we don't exist until we are born

640
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,080
and then consciousness comes out of our

641
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,919
brain we we live our lives and then as

642
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,679
soon as we die consciousness stops and

643
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,039
we're gone

644
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:18,400
they were saying that there's a lot of

645
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,960
evidence that that science today may

646
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,720
have that wrong and this would be

647
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,279
considered material materialism

648
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,679
materialism say it says that

649
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,919
consciousness arises from

650
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,400
physical matter such as our brain they

651
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,880
were saying specifically that maybe it's

652
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,720
backwards and maybe

653
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:38,480
consciousness

654
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,760
exists outside of physical reality

655
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,760
so for instance the earth and you know

656
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:45,440
everything we experience in the universe

657
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:46,640
that perhaps

658
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:49,360
in some way consciousness exists outside

659
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,400
of that

660
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,559
you know whether it's a field or whether

661
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,400
it's you know some type of energy they

662
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:55,600
don't really know but they think that

663
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:56,400
that

664
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,279
physical matter and reality emerges from

665
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:02,799
unconsciousness so it would be like our

666
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:06,240
brains are actually um you know somehow

667
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,120
um

668
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,840
tuning into this consciousness and then

669
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,000
when we die for instance we just kind of

670
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,080
are not our physical bodies are not

671
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,080
tuned in but the consciousness itself

672
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,200
which would be the you me i bob martin

673
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:22,080
still exists which to me really gave me

674
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,520
some hope when i started reading this

675
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,039
and some of the experiments that they

676
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,960
were doing to try to show

677
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,799
that there's there's these really subtle

678
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,559
effects that where

679
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,679
your

680
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,440
consciousness can affect things

681
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:36,480
non-locally like say physical systems

682
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,440
so that's what you know the the the

683
00:25:44,029 --> 00:25:40,960
institutes that were set up trying to

684
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,039
study this um esp

685
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,720
parapsychology telekinesis

686
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,720
and these kind of what

687
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,400
some scientists would consider woo

688
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,880
topics they began to

689
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:54,880
do these experiments over like 20 30

690
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:58,000
years and we're finding all of these all

691
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,159
this statistical evidence were

692
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,640
repeatable evidence that suggested that

693
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,159
consciousness

694
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:06,880
may not just be like um something in our

695
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,520
brain that somehow can affect things

696
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:10,799
outside

697
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,960
um of course in the ufo field i mean

698
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,559
i've always been interested in that too

699
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:15,919
and i think that

700
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,240
some of the ufo topics that might

701
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:22,880
be familiar to experiencers would be

702
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,679
perhaps telepathic communication

703
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,000
and that's esp right but a lot of people

704
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,240
that claim to have

705
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,720
experiences with

706
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,360
non-human intelligence or the abduction

707
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,760
phenomena for instance where

708
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:39,520
over the course of their year over their

709
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:41,360
lives they've had these repeat

710
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,679
experiences which are very real and they

711
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,000
have communication almost entirely

712
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,960
telepathic in those cases and

713
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,240
you know sometimes

714
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,039
you know the the experiences are so out

715
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:55,120
outrageously absurd you might think well

716
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:56,159
maybe

717
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,480
consciousness is somehow leaving their

718
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:01,919
body and they're having these

719
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,320
experiences which are very real to them

720
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,400
i mean you wouldn't know it to be

721
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:08,320
different than the physical waking

722
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:11,679
experience it's so real and i'm i i

723
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,600
believe that that's entirely possible so

724
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:15,360
that that may be where this

725
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,559
consciousness ufo experience um will

726
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,960
lead us i'm not sure though

727
00:27:25,990 --> 00:27:23,279
so if the conscious

728
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:26,000
might exist after

729
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,000
we don't physically

730
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,279
does it exist before we exist

731
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:34,000
i believe it does and you know my entire

732
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,480
life you know from when i first started

733
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:38,080
looking into the

734
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,520
you know paranormal and ufos

735
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,000
i always had this really strong feeling

736
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:46,640
that you know and this is not just uh

737
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,799
you know the christian bible beliefs or

738
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,600
other religious texts that all you

739
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,159
uniformly say that that's true

740
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:56,480
that i believe that yeah that we

741
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,520
probably

742
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,000
our consciousness does exist

743
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:02,480
that we don't just um you know when we

744
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:04,960
when we die you know basically a drop of

745
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,520
water into the ocean and we're part of

746
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,000
consciousness but we no longer as an

747
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:12,799
individual personality no longer exists

748
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,559
i think that he the human soul our souls

749
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,799
you know are eternal and that we are

750
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:19,600
much

751
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:22,640
more valid uh in eternal

752
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:26,000
than we probably even have any idea so i

753
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,440
mean i think so and i think that a lot

754
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:30,320
of these uh the team of scientists and

755
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,919
you know researchers that we have in

756
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:33,120
this film

757
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,919
they

758
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,679
have these experiences as well

759
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,159
especially the uh life after death and

760
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:40,720
near-death experience um

761
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,360
jeff dr jeffrey long and his

762
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,120
studies of like

763
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,679
nearly five i think he's got like 5 000

764
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,200
stories on his

765
00:28:52,909 --> 00:28:50,720
uh website

766
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,919
endurf on

767
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:55,200
nderf.com i think it is

768
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,080
where they have personal um descriptions

769
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:01,279
of people that you know have come to the

770
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,240
the edge of death clinical death where

771
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,240
in an emergency room for instance

772
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,399
they've had cardiac arrest

773
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,960
and their brain waves cease to function

774
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,360
in i think that you know at that point

775
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,200
you know when you have no cardiac rhythm

776
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,360
and your brain waves stop you're

777
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,760
clinically dead and some people have

778
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:21,760
gone to that edge and come back

779
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:22,640
and

780
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,679
uniformly there's men who's i think jeff

781
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,480
has like a list of ten commonalities

782
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,159
that almost all of these individuals

783
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:34,080
report and it's actually quite

784
00:29:39,909 --> 00:29:35,679
heartening because you know one of the

785
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,919
key things is like uh you're a universal

786
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,679
feeling of love

787
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,200
like they don't want to come back

788
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,880
because of this feeling

789
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,399
you know ten thousand orgasms or

790
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,240
something like all into one experience

791
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,880
that's what they describe it as and

792
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,279
that you know they see their

793
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:56,399
deceased loved ones in some cases there

794
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,679
they have reports of communication that

795
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:02,000
are very meaningful and very um very

796
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:03,760
deep um

797
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:06,799
dr eben alexander for instance wrote a

798
00:30:10,389 --> 00:30:08,640
book he and many of these scientists

799
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,399
that write these things didn't start off

800
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,480
believing in this stuff they started out

801
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,720
as materialist scientists that didn't

802
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,159
believe it

803
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,399
and they had experiences like for

804
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:21,279
instance dr eban alexander he had he was

805
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:23,760
a neuroscientist he had his own

806
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:26,000
very in-depth near-death experience that

807
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:28,640
completely changed his view upon

808
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,840
what consciousness is and what life on

809
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,159
earth is and whether we exist before and

810
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,240
after life and i think almost all of the

811
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,080
people that that have had these

812
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,679
experiences

813
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,120
you know if they didn't before they

814
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,360
changed their belief they're not afraid

815
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,679
of dying anymore because they've had a

816
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,919
glimpse and yeah yeah

817
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,679
yeah i've heard that i read leslie

818
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,440
kane's book i thought that was very good

819
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,000
very interesting a lot of amazing cases

820
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:56,399
that she explored in there here's a

821
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,039
question up for you um in the chat room

822
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,640
uh bob

823
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,159
uh has

824
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,159
have you explored the actual science

825
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:06,480
done by stanford research institute on

826
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,200
this topic it's noteworthy and extensive

827
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:11,600
well well certainly uh it's fascinating

828
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,679
research we're talking about work by hal

829
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,880
pudov

830
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,679
um and a few a few others

831
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,679
have done interesting work on remote

832
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,519
viewing esp

833
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,760
and cyclokinesis among other related

834
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:24,720
matters

835
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:25,600
um

836
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:28,640
you know i hope everything was

837
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,600
studied and utilized to to our advantage

838
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:33,360
you know the rumor is and it's been

839
00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,679
pretty much confirmed that that experts

840
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:38,080
in remote viewing or who you'd what dave

841
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:41,840
was talking about esp or non-locality

842
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,120
were able to access information despite

843
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,760
the distance and time associated with

844
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:49,519
information exchange between russia and

845
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,480
here

846
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,559
information about their

847
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,320
landmarks where the missiles were

848
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:56,240
located in russia and they supposedly

849
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,760
did the same to us

850
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,600
well i do know

851
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,360
more than two people who are associated

852
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:04,240
with that research and and the point is

853
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,039
that

854
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,679
here again esp has been studied and we i

855
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,120
think we are all aware of that through

856
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:11,440
the stanford research institute

857
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,039
um and been verified uh and repeatedly

858
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:17,279
and more recently by dean reagan and

859
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,399
ions institute for noetic sciences

860
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,000
um but you know we're getting back to

861
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,159
what dave's talking about too that we're

862
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:26,399
talking about peak experiences

863
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,240
and consciousness and um and and even

864
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,159
people who experiencing

865
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,559
what you've read in leslie kane's book

866
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,399
interacting with this phenomenon believe

867
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,039
such a transpersonal event

868
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:41,840
where one's viewpoints are altered as as

869
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,799
we mentioned earlier to the extent that

870
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,039
even people who say they see grades

871
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:48,559
walking through their walls so they have

872
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:51,760
a near-death experience i get a sense of

873
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,640
reality to them that is real i never had

874
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,960
that kind of experience but when you

875
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,480
talk about millions of individuals

876
00:33:03,110 --> 00:32:59,840
throughout time

877
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:03,120
even to today have just being

878
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,519
having these kinds of facilitated uh

879
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,240
access to what they described and all to

880
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,000
say that consciousness and another

881
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:12,159
reality that's as real as the back of

882
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,440
their hand and more so real than real as

883
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,120
we often hear

884
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,559
um that

885
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:21,440
defies the explanation of course but

886
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,559
quantum mechanics begins to get at it

887
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:26,720
through non-locality and count the

888
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,880
consciousness brain's distinction

889
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,200
consciousness giving rise to physical

890
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:33,519
matter and you know take it a step

891
00:33:37,029 --> 00:33:34,880
further

892
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:37,039
torsion energy

893
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,880
the spin force within the universe

894
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,519
everything spins we know that

895
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,760
we know when we flush the toilet water

896
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,960
spins to

897
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,799
galaxies spinning around each other let

898
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,720
alone any planets spin we understand

899
00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:51,200
that to the subatomic particle where

900
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,360
there's information exchanged and

901
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:56,080
torsion energy spin like energy the

902
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:57,279
point is

903
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,799
it gets back to what we would have a

904
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,279
prior discussion scientists many of them

905
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,519
are now looking at this spin force that

906
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,039
integrates believe it or not with the

907
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:07,120
brain and spinal column

908
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,879
the central nervous system of the human

909
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,240
being

910
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,879
thus is going to bomb this extricate

911
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,320
implicate order

912
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,399
where we are not just

913
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,079
dusted just an answer to ashes

914
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:21,280
afterwards but uh separate from the body

915
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,159
so

916
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:24,159
he contends in that theory among many

917
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:24,960
others

918
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:28,159
more recent and and abstract and obscure

919
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,359
and people are putting math to it and

920
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:31,599
come to that conclusion

921
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,879
we are distinctly different

922
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,040
consciousness is and it might

923
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,440
interrelate from the physical be a

924
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,760
physical force that is a missing link in

925
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,399
unified the unified field theory

926
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,960
that might be helped to explain what

927
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,520
people are experiencing when they talk

928
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,760
about that unconditional love the the

929
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:51,599
altered landscape the interaction with

930
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:55,679
deceased beings supreme beings greys

931
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,880
and mantids etc

932
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,680
and they're well balanced individuals

933
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,240
so the the question is it's difficult

934
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,800
for me to struggle with and to apply the

935
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,280
research method to because you can't

936
00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:11,200
the way you want to at least in a

937
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:12,800
laboratory setting

938
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,960
and you have to talk to people who do

939
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,520
interact with this complex phenomena

940
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,240
from the uap to everything else much of

941
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:22,640
it can be interrelated

942
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:25,680
but we have no clue and we're scratching

943
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,000
the surface with the stone knives

944
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:30,480
on the rock wall

945
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,440
uh frustrated and we can't rely on on

946
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,520
the government to give us information

947
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:37,760
you know about what they know

948
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,320
do you think uh a higher intelligence

949
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,839
out there knows more about

950
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,800
consciousness

951
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,640
i do i i think that

952
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,040
perhaps we ourselves know much more

953
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,520
about it and it's possible that you know

954
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,119
when you talk about the meaning of life

955
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,000
and why we're here it could be that um

956
00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:58,400
our consciousness needs to have these

957
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:01,599
experiences in physical reality events

958
00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:04,320
so to speak you know

959
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,880
is our lives a series of random events

960
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:09,760
um or is there you know is there such a

961
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,680
thing as fate our par our milestones in

962
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,520
our lives sort of pre-planned we know

963
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,280
about this is time even real i mean

964
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:19,280
that's one of the things that physics is

965
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,480
linear time

966
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,160
yeah i mean

967
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,160
how does linear time fit into this

968
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,880
consciousness right i mean in ufo cases

969
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,040
right i mean people experience missing

970
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,119
time they they

971
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,960
they see see

972
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,160
they have an

973
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,839
experience it seems like it took 10

974
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:37,839
minutes and three hours on their watches

975
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,000
gone by um they you know um

976
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,480
the betty anders andreasson case i

977
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,320
remember reading how

978
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,920
when these beings appeared um at her

979
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,960
house

980
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,520
to her i believe you know every time was

981
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,200
normal but then every everyone in our

982
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,599
house is sort of like a statue

983
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,280
and until they left and then all of a

984
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,680
sudden um they kind of kind of came back

985
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,400
to life and didn't even realize any time

986
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:07,119
had gone by so is there a manipulation

987
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:10,400
of time by some a higher intelligence

988
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:14,320
that's behind some of the ufo stuff

989
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,359
yeah yeah

990
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:17,280
millennials that's really fascinating

991
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,079
it's a construct because time space is

992
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:22,400
going to them again who do interact as

993
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:23,359
they can

994
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,480
portend

995
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:26,400
with this alternate react coexisting

996
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:29,440
reality or a non-physical reality in the

997
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,440
sense that you're not using your senses

998
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,480
to detect what is happening around you

999
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,920
basically um so when you had a 360

1000
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,000
degree view when you leave your body as

1001
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,160
they they say or in the form of a

1002
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,079
near-death experience or during even an

1003
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:46,800
abduction experience where and it's like

1004
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,119
more of a contact d kind of thing than a

1005
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,680
physical relocation from one area to the

1006
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,160
next so linear time

1007
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,440
um

1008
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,320
it it it doesn't really exist other than

1009
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,560
we are bounded by it because of the 3d

1010
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,040
world in which we operate so time is is

1011
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,000
necessity but many sciences are now

1012
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,240
escorting to the fact that you obtain

1013
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:10,320
information beyond the body you don't

1014
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:11,680
need the body

1015
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,720
and you can be a little more efficient

1016
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,960
once you shed the suit so they say

1017
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,480
well is that true

1018
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:19,839
i'd like to see

1019
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,880
absolute proof and and i'm leading it in

1020
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,880
this sense of direction

1021
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,240
in that way

1022
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,599
but um

1023
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,520
until we can prove it we have to we have

1024
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,680
to understand that all these aspects of

1025
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,040
missing time

1026
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,760
uh represent to these individuals true

1027
00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:37,920
reality believe it or not

1028
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,400
and it's hard for me to believe but i i

1029
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,800
i'm almost convinced from the sources

1030
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,880
that i hear it from

1031
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,560
i i've uh

1032
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,240
i'd like to hear

1033
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:50,240
when people are talking about missing

1034
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:51,200
time

1035
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,000
that

1036
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,079
it's like the first time they're telling

1037
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,480
their story they never talk about this

1038
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,400
experience before and all of a sudden

1039
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:00,960
they said oh yeah and by the way um it's

1040
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,520
really strange you know this uh i

1041
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:05,520
thought it was you know three o'clock in

1042
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,760
the afternoon ended up it was five and i

1043
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,800
don't know

1044
00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:11,280
mean when someone

1045
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,000
is not like you know they have so it

1046
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,760
makes it more real when you hear someone

1047
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:17,280
talk about right there's a lot of cases

1048
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:20,560
like that that people that are you know

1049
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,960
they don't have any knowledge of the ufo

1050
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,800
research field they've never read any

1051
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:26,400
books and they're not have no interest

1052
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,200
in it when they somebody reports

1053
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,800
something like that that they think is

1054
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:33,760
unusual and all the researchers that

1055
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,800
have looked at you know ce4 type stuff

1056
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,359
all of a sudden go aha see he's you know

1057
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:41,599
like he he knows exactly what happened

1058
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,400
because

1059
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,400
all those people report that

1060
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,480
but you know it's not i don't think it's

1061
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:48,000
because they've read a book about it

1062
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,440
it's because they're trying to be honest

1063
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,960
and they looked at their clock and

1064
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,800
they're like wait a second it was how

1065
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:55,520
did three hours go by you know

1066
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,920
i always ask people when they're telling

1067
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,440
someone that's not

1068
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,240
they're not paying attention to the show

1069
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,960
i mean to the ufo shows at all or ufos

1070
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:06,640
i'm sorry in general

1071
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,280
and um i end up telling them

1072
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,599
somehow in a conversation that i do a

1073
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:13,920
show on ufos and they say oh you know i

1074
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,400
had this experience um and this this

1075
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,200
woman told me um she's in the antique

1076
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:21,920
business which i am in art and antique

1077
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:24,960
and uh so she's telling me of

1078
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,000
uh she was up in maine where i live in

1079
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,920
the state of maine where i live and on

1080
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:31,200
an island

1081
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,800
and this ufo flew over her and girl

1082
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,119
scouts they were all on this island and

1083
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,720
then they said and all of a sudden it

1084
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,319
was dark

1085
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,280
you know

1086
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:43,040
like all of a sudden we realized it was

1087
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,319
dark out

1088
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,720
and the whole group including the leader

1089
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,319
and every everything it was like they

1090
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:49,920
they couldn't understand why it was dark

1091
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,000
out and she's telling the story like

1092
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,920
she's never told it before

1093
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,839
so i i loved her i tried to get her on

1094
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,760
the show but she i love those stories i

1095
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,440
love the stories and i mean doesn't it

1096
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:01,599
make you wonder what happened during

1097
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,400
that time and so many of the reports

1098
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,240
they never investigate that i think

1099
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,359
that's kind of where in the research of

1100
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,079
so-called abductions the use of hypnosis

1101
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,800
came into play specifically trying to

1102
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,480
investigate you know kind of what

1103
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,319
happened during those three hours you

1104
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:19,599
really want to know

1105
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,560
and there's a quite a bit of controversy

1106
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,359
today and um you know i mean i in the

1107
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:27,119
beginning i thought it was great

1108
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:28,720
wow this is like they're not leading

1109
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,160
questions and hypnosis is so cool and

1110
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:34,400
over time i've kind of you know gotten

1111
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,680
to the point where i don't know if it

1112
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,400
was such a good idea that all of the uh

1113
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,040
abduction researchers um you know bud

1114
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:42,720
hopkins and

1115
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,920
fowler and these guys were utilizing um

1116
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:49,119
hypnosis on people um bob what do you

1117
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,560
think about that i mean i i don't know

1118
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,960
we've talked about it um your opinion

1119
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,800
about the use of hypnosis

1120
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,119
well it has to be done by someone who's

1121
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,000
very well trained certified uh part of

1122
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:01,920
the association and even then the

1123
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,319
information derived from as witness

1124
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:06,240
testimony in the court of law is not

1125
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,920
recognized as as a valid evidence so

1126
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,000
there is question still for a variety of

1127
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,560
reasons as to the the accuracy

1128
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,960
legitimacy of hypnosis and and but

1129
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:19,040
hopkins um

1130
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,480
uh and the other gentleman i can't

1131
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,520
recall his name but both who who

1132
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,839
were leading experts in that area david

1133
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:27,200
david jacobs

1134
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:31,280
did wonderful things for people

1135
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,680
but their methodology their conclusions

1136
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,520
were a little faulty and it kind of

1137
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,760
leads me into the results from the dr

1138
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,359
ricky mentioned research foundation

1139
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,359
which i was a member of

1140
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,000
and we addressed the abduction or

1141
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:47,119
contact he-like experience that people

1142
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,440
worldwide many hundreds of thousands if

1143
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,200
not millions over time and certainly

1144
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:54,079
today are claiming to be contacted by a

1145
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,680
non-human intelligence we understand

1146
00:43:03,430 --> 00:42:57,440
that

1147
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:03,440
level

1148
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,640
um

1149
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:05,920
so

1150
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,800
it was a lot there was a lot of it was a

1151
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:13,119
lot of information that has come out

1152
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,240
um

1153
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,160
through hypnosis

1154
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,640
yeah um and commonalities

1155
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,119
it's true but they regarded jacob and

1156
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,720
hopkins there we go as a negative

1157
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:23,839
experience

1158
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,400
in large part the initial contact of

1159
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,640
course is how can it not be

1160
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,480
but people are saying that with repeated

1161
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,400
experiences over time they benefit and

1162
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,240
they don't want it to end the majority

1163
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,480
of them in our results kathy martin by

1164
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:39,680
the way who wrote the experience

1165
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:41,599
research team foundation

1166
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,760
uh or committee for mufon nationally um

1167
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,200
came to the same conclusions in her

1168
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:50,880
study of 350 or so the the the dr

1169
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,079
mitchell foundation utilized over 35 4

1170
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,359
000

1171
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,520
subjects who said it was largely

1172
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,520
positive but of course there's negative

1173
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:02,000
aspects to it understandably

1174
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,839
um so it you have to be you have to take

1175
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,599
note of the strong suggestions that it

1176
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:09,839
makes the results suggest that people

1177
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:12,960
are not generally taken literally locate

1178
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,760
relocated from one area to up to a ship

1179
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,240
body and mind

1180
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,880
the other 80 85 90 percent of the

1181
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,640
individuals say it was more through a

1182
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,040
conscious kind of obe

1183
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,040
interaction with the matrix an alternate

1184
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,079
reality which formed the basis of my

1185
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:33,440
so-called tantai tea experience alike uh

1186
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,480
event

1187
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,720
uh so we see a differentiation of

1188
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,160
opinion between what we found and what

1189
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:40,079
hopkins and jacob saying

1190
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,880
um

1191
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,200
and our results being verified by martin

1192
00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:45,280
so i when i saw the data

1193
00:44:50,309 --> 00:44:47,839
i came in late i saw the survey they got

1194
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,319
a lot of data we got some more i was a

1195
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,560
kid in a candy shop with all that data i

1196
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,720
could apply with what i did as a as a

1197
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,880
neuroscientist of some type with sensory

1198
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,880
systems

1199
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:01,280
so i had post questions and hypotheses

1200
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:04,720
to try to answer significant questions

1201
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,720
um i like to think i did so successfully

1202
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,079
most of the time but certainly not

1203
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,480
always and here i can't

1204
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,839
come up with an answer i don't even know

1205
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,760
what questions to ask

1206
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,359
you know and everybody scratch their

1207
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:17,280
heads trying to figure out something

1208
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,560
that's extraordinarily complex and has

1209
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:22,160
important implications for reality in

1210
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:25,680
life i think because it changes people's

1211
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:29,280
transpersonally in in this way

1212
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,440
the peak experience which alters their

1213
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,119
viewpoints as something that we can't

1214
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,119
ignore and the medical community need to

1215
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,680
be more aware of it and validate them

1216
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:40,160
for their experiences let them talk

1217
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:43,119
without being stigmatized and and

1218
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,280
considered as possible bipolar

1219
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,400
delusional

1220
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:48,079
whatever the psychological term you want

1221
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:49,280
to use

1222
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,640
uh that's the last thing these

1223
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,880
individuals want to hear and we can't

1224
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,200
forget the experience it's a physical

1225
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,720
phenomenon this ufo stuff it's also

1226
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,000
uh whatever you want to call it

1227
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:02,000
non-physical in this way

1228
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,440
and the interaction with the beings

1229
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,920
apparently involved non-physical contact

1230
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:07,839
the majority of the time in thousands of

1231
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,950
here's another question pops up and

1232
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:15,280
thank you for putting them in caps

1233
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,680
uh so was it at princeton university

1234
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,359
that had the global consciousness

1235
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,359
program with random number

1236
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,760
generating eggs

1237
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,680
i'm not sure what that is exactly yeah

1238
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,839
and in fact we had brenda dunn

1239
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,520
and roger nelson the founder of the

1240
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,000
global consonants project at

1241
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,240
the peer lab

1242
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,640
in the documentary uh here again

1243
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,800
consciousness exists globally not only

1244
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,800
at the sub-atomic level limit to human

1245
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,880
interaction with esp and psychokinesis

1246
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,119
but also globally

1247
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:46,640
whereby

1248
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,000
the alteration the change dramatically

1249
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:51,920
statistically significant change in

1250
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:54,839
random number generators 100 station

1251
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,240
worldwide across the planet

1252
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,920
is altered

1253
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,240
it's changed dramatically again

1254
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:03,680
whenever a

1255
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:04,800
pronounced

1256
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,839
event occurs that draws the attention of

1257
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:10,079
billions of people worldwide to that

1258
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:10,960
event

1259
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,160
unfortunately examples include 9 11 the

1260
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,800
tsunami disaster even the election of

1261
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:18,880
obama it's not always a negative

1262
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:21,839
uh issue but unfortunately is to other

1263
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,640
terrorist attacks where

1264
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:26,880
where normally in other words these

1265
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:29,200
these eggs as you call it yes

1266
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:31,359
should be 50 50

1267
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,119
either positive or negative over time

1268
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,480
as the information is downloaded from

1269
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:38,079
these eggs were served in princeton new

1270
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:39,359
jersey

1271
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,960
uh but when it

1272
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,680
deviates significantly to the point of

1273
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,000
hundreds of millions of to one against

1274
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:47,839
chance that that could have occurred by

1275
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:50,880
accident and the fact that it did so

1276
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,240
time locked to the event even even a few

1277
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:57,040
seconds prior to the planes hitting this

1278
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:58,559
hour

1279
00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,640
we start getting

1280
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:01,599
uh

1281
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,559
this non-random activity

1282
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,280
to put it mindly so we see consciousness

1283
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,359
apparently being altered even at that

1284
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,839
level let alone cosmologically

1285
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:13,920
and again the documentary is trying to

1286
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:17,200
emphasize how this information exchange

1287
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,960
from electrons photons biofield torsion

1288
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:22,800
fields spin energy

1289
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,599
the brain cellular activity dna

1290
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,319
may very well be interrelated

1291
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:30,880
uh that's how complex it can be and

1292
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,280
we're just only scratching the surface

1293
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,000
at this stage in our evolutionary cycle

1294
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,400
and the documentary is going to

1295
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,760
shift that needle

1296
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:42,240
from being permitted again

1297
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,200
you know one of the one of the

1298
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,280
interesting things about the princeton

1299
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,240
study is it seemed to um pick up the

1300
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:50,800
reigns so to speak of what russell targ

1301
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,920
and how put up we're doing out at sri

1302
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,240
and stanford and um

1303
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,760
uh the dr robert john was dean of the

1304
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,160
engineering department at princeton and

1305
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:04,559
so you can imagine that meeting where he

1306
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:07,760
went to the president and decided to

1307
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,480
pitch this idea of creating a laboratory

1308
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:12,240
in the engineering department

1309
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,200
space that was going to be studying

1310
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,040
you know esp spa basically um

1311
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,920
needless to say uh he had to get private

1312
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:24,480
funding for his laboratory to do to do

1313
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:26,319
this and um

1314
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,880
the the head of mcdonald douglas

1315
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,280
aircraft company actually provided

1316
00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:34,240
funding for the pear lab the princeton

1317
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,200
uh

1318
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,839
was it the princeton engineering yeah

1319
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:38,960
yeah

1320
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:42,000
laboratory which existed uh uh from i

1321
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,520
think 79 until 2007 conducting

1322
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:47,760
thousands of uh

1323
00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:49,119
laboratory

1324
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:52,559
controlled experiments which seemed to

1325
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,240
show that this statistically that

1326
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:59,520
affecting uh random number generators

1327
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,400
really can is true beyond statistical

1328
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,200
chance you know ten thousand to one kind

1329
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:07,359
of odds and the other thing that they

1330
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:10,960
picked up um from how put up in uh sri

1331
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,760
was remote viewing and they spent years

1332
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:16,000
and years and years also having

1333
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,760
significantly uh amazing results i think

1334
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,200
they they changed it i think it was

1335
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,880
called the uh

1336
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:24,319
what was it called

1337
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,400
i wrote it down here remote perception

1338
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,680
they that's what they called it or

1339
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,319
precognitive remote perception

1340
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,160
that's what they named their protocols

1341
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,160
for remote viewing so

1342
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,480
you know investigating for this film i

1343
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:38,240
was like trying to learn and i was

1344
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:41,359
astounded to learn about this whole

1345
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,240
scientific study of it at uh

1346
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,960
princeton university and even cornell

1347
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,280
had programs as well that not many

1348
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,640
people know about this stuff and it

1349
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,119
really is kind of the the study of human

1350
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,760
potential and consciousness by

1351
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,079
academics in a controlled environment

1352
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:00,880
and you know using the uh scientific

1353
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,559
method and the whole thing and a lot of

1354
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,960
the statistics and research papers that

1355
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,040
they did to this day stand and they're

1356
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:09,520
very difficult for like skeptical

1357
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:11,920
scientists that you know want to you

1358
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:14,319
know ignore all of that as you know

1359
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:16,880
hogwash so to speak in crackpots that it

1360
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,000
really is there's this really strong uh

1361
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,280
body of evidence for the the reality of

1362
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,359
this stuff that you know a lot of people

1363
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,319
that study ufos also kind of sometimes

1364
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,480
hear about remote viewing and so on and

1365
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,960
there's actual really strong evidence

1366
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,880
that it's real

1367
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,359
wow i i was uh on

1368
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,760
a mac maloney had a has a radio show and

1369
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,079
i was on his show one time and he said

1370
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,839
okay we're going to test your remote

1371
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:46,400
viewing he said what i what is on my

1372
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,119
desk in the middle of my desk right now

1373
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,800
and so i said

1374
00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:52,079
um

1375
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:53,920
i'm thinking something that looks like a

1376
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,960
turtle and he picks up this helmet looks

1377
00:52:01,829 --> 00:51:59,119
like a turtle i mean that was that was

1378
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,839
just an odd coincidence um i think that

1379
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,160
was that was

1380
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,760
yeah someone did what on twitter like

1381
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:07,599
they were doing uh some guy was doing a

1382
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:10,240
remote thing and he held up a bag what's

1383
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,920
in the bag and then everyone had the gas

1384
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,680
and you know like the next day or

1385
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,520
something and one of the guys said you

1386
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:17,119
know death head

1387
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,640
and then when he's like this was like

1388
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,400
before the guy revealed it and it really

1389
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:23,839
was like a like a mexican style um skull

1390
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:25,119
that had been painted with all kinds of

1391
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,559
colors i forget what they call those it

1392
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,240
is sort of a death head but it's you

1393
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,319
know what i'm like oh my god they sell

1394
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,960
celebrate the yeah whatever i care

1395
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,880
uh what that's called there here's

1396
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,640
another question that came up

1397
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:39,200
um and i they saying it might be a silly

1398
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,559
question but i don't think so because

1399
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,079
i've had this question in my mind

1400
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,200
because i think way too much and that as

1401
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,040
our population is increasing our new

1402
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,359
souls created when babies are born

1403
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,119
because reincarnation alone can't be

1404
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,040
enough right i know that's

1405
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,880
may sound silly to some but i think of

1406
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,880
stuff like that like you know we're

1407
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,119
having new people born all the time so

1408
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,880
if if these souls are whatever been

1409
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,200
around are they in waiting or or what

1410
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,200
what's going on

1411
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:07,440
i can tell you my opinion but all right

1412
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,640
let's

1413
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:10,960
well

1414
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,280
i i believe i do believe in a

1415
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,520
multi-dimensional reality in other words

1416
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,960
that you know

1417
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:19,359
this reality is not the only one and

1418
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:23,599
it's possible that our souls or our

1419
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,280
personalities exist outside of time

1420
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,960
in which case

1421
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:31,040
all time would be

1422
00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:34,319
at once so outside of living if our

1423
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,000
personality and our souls exist outside

1424
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,160
of that it's possible that we

1425
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:40,880
have multiple souls and that they exist

1426
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,599
across time concurrently even though

1427
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:45,599
while we're living we experience time in

1428
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:49,359
a linear you know born live die

1429
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:50,480
state

1430
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,680
it could also be a case where we are

1431
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:56,400
actually existing in multiple

1432
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,040
eras of time in the past in the future

1433
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,880
um i know that's kind of if you've never

1434
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,640
thought about that it's kind of hard to

1435
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,800
wrap your mind around it and that comes

1436
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,280
from some of the um

1437
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:10,000
philosophical works of jane roberts in

1438
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:11,599
the seth material which has sort of

1439
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:13,839
shaped some of my beliefs that stuff was

1440
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,800
written in the in the 70s but it's very

1441
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,040
interesting material and when you think

1442
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,880
about it you're like wow that's like

1443
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,400
really cool and that's a different take

1444
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:24,960
on reincarnation that maybe it's not a

1445
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,680
linear progression of that we dive in

1446
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,680
then you know we're reborn a year later

1447
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:31,040
or something like that it's kind of

1448
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,880
interesting

1449
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:35,599
wow that is fascinating i think we we

1450
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:37,200
sort of talked about this question but

1451
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,480
i'm not i mean

1452
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,960
i'm not 100 sure are we still asking the

1453
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:43,359
question if consciousness is a brain

1454
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,319
function

1455
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,079
because this seems to have already been

1456
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,799
answered we are way beyond young or

1457
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,480
maslow or groth

1458
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,640
at this point anyone want to well we

1459
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:55,200
have we have addressed that uh

1460
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:56,720
okay i thought so

1461
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,760
yeah yep yep okay um

1462
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,000
and let's see so just to let everyone

1463
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,839
know that we're gonna be taking calls it

1464
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,119
seems like we're having a lot of

1465
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,599
activity um so

1466
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,440
uh we're gonna take calls in the last

1467
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,599
half hour or i'm just wondering maybe if

1468
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,359
we should just open the

1469
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,680
the uh oh yeah let's let's talk about

1470
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:17,760
the synchronicity is it isn't there some

1471
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,720
synchronicity between you two as well

1472
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,280
well there there is um and what do we

1473
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:25,280
mean by synchronicity the

1474
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,880
number of psychologists call young

1475
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:28,799
alternative to

1476
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,359
the simultaneous presence of meaning and

1477
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,720
timing

1478
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,359
of of two to six pieces of information

1479
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:37,280
that one experiences

1480
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:40,400
that this in that person's mind is

1481
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,359
uh

1482
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,920
goes way beyond chance although we could

1483
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,799
all win

1484
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,119
the million dollar lottery tomorrow but

1485
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,440
nevertheless david and i have something

1486
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,760
like this and you and let you your

1487
00:55:54,309 --> 00:55:53,520
listeners and viewers interpret as they

1488
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,319
may

1489
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,119
uh i mentioned one earlier in fact um

1490
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:59,280
the first person i sent an inquiry to

1491
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:01,040
recall at the beginning of the show

1492
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,280
about the possibility of doing some kind

1493
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:05,680
of film project based on on the book on

1494
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,240
the enforcers with dave baby

1495
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,480
uh so what he invites me to lunch with

1496
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,480
sitting down dave says have you ever

1497
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,480
seen the nimitz encounters

1498
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,240
the film that he successfully produced

1499
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,559
with over five million views so far

1500
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:19,680
right

1501
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,960
uh i never put credits to a production

1502
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,799
but i said yeah it was a fantastic

1503
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,880
documentary uh you know i enjoyed it

1504
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,720
very much uh

1505
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:30,960
why why yes well i'm dave betty oh it

1506
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,480
didn't mean anything to me he thought it

1507
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,400
would because i was someone interested

1508
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,559
in ufos right

1509
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,680
think of all the number of producers

1510
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,119
well i thought that's why you contacted

1511
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,880
me bob because you like

1512
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,079
hey this guy

1513
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,599
it was because i mean we're we're

1514
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:45,119
probably about an hour from each other

1515
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,559
and i was i work for a production

1516
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,799
company in the area that bob lives and

1517
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,400
so he was reaching out to see who could

1518
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,559
do films and he didn't know that i had

1519
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,480
an interest at all in this stuff

1520
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,240
yeah and it doesn't end there just

1521
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,599
warming up you know like uh uh

1522
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:02,880
then he i speak with gary voorhees who

1523
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:06,799
was also in in the documentary um radar

1524
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:09,280
played radar uh you know on the on the

1525
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:13,040
on the nimitz on the net was and uh he

1526
00:57:17,109 --> 00:57:15,040
tells me hey

1527
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,119
dave called me and said you ever hear

1528
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,760
bob davis and and uh

1529
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:22,400
and gary said to dave

1530
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,079
did i ever hear about davis i'm reading

1531
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,119
the dude's book right now

1532
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,359
timing and meaning it doesn't indicate

1533
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,040
i think i told him

1534
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,640
here's so here's a good one and i i

1535
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:34,799
still think this is true the first call

1536
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,319
that i ever had with bob i didn't know

1537
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,160
who he was i was on the phone with him

1538
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,000
and you know he's like i don't have i

1539
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,839
don't have uh you know sponsorship for

1540
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:43,680
this film dave i don't have any money

1541
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,040
and i go well you know um in some of the

1542
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:49,520
films that i've done the the people say

1543
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,440
that you know if you have positive

1544
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:53,040
intent and

1545
00:57:56,549 --> 00:57:54,880
this is a passion thing then unseen

1546
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,559
forces will come to your aid to make

1547
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,559
this whatever you're trying to do um

1548
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,680
happen

1549
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,839
he's like okay dave i'm gonna um this is

1550
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,119
a great conversation i'll send you my

1551
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,680
book okay and so next couple days later

1552
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,520
i open this book and i look at his

1553
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:10,160
unseen forces and i'm like wait a second

1554
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,680
did he tell me that before because he

1555
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,200
gave me chills i was just like and i

1556
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:15,040
called him up i go do you even know me

1557
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,559
saying that bob because i don't think i

1558
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,520
knew anything about your work your books

1559
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:21,680
or anything like that

1560
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:24,079
so cool it was very meaningful again

1561
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,440
yeah and just like a little that's a

1562
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,720
secret particularly particular time and

1563
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:30,640
and the last synchronicity i'm sure

1564
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:32,720
there's this more but the less really

1565
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:36,160
intense one was when i was on my lanai

1566
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,359
one

1567
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:39,839
uh hot night in the fall looking

1568
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,680
northwest and i said to myself for the

1569
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,520
first time i'm going to remember a group

1570
00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,880
of stars

1571
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:47,359
and and whatever the reason i just came

1572
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:50,799
in interstellar nominee uh so i like i

1573
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:54,960
put my uh sky view on on on the star

1574
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:57,040
uh and it comes up deneb

1575
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,960
i move it to the left

1576
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:01,680
uh i believe it's uh athena or altair

1577
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,160
something like that begins with a i move

1578
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,680
it down to the right in the form of a

1579
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:07,440
triangle vega

1580
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:10,880
d a v is how i thought i'd best remember

1581
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,599
it an acronym of course you get it

1582
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,119
dav dave

1583
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:17,200
bob davis sure that wasn't a triangle

1584
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:17,890
ufo

1585
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,240
[Laughter]

1586
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:21,920
you know this is even more exciting than

1587
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,880
a triangle ufo yeah but destiny is

1588
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,880
literally written in the stars you see

1589
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,559
what i mean

1590
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,799
how about that wow i'm gonna i'm gonna

1591
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,799
show you a synchronicity now my own

1592
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,119
personal synchronicity here and that is

1593
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,760
uh i i'm with a friend right now a very

1594
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,160
very close friend and uh

1595
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:43,520
who we got connected from the ufo world

1596
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,240
or whatever um through facebook and so

1597
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:48,400
she started out and she said

1598
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,440
um

1599
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,880
it appears that we have the same

1600
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,359
birthday and so i go oh really and uh

1601
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,839
what year she goes no the same birthday

1602
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,760
now i'm gonna show you something one day

1603
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:59,359
and she calls me

1604
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:00,960
and she said hey

1605
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:03,680
um and and and the joke was oh yeah we

1606
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,319
were both born in boston so she

1607
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,480
because my mother was a diabetic i was

1608
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,240
up in new hampshire but my mother had to

1609
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:11,760
go to boston

1610
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:14,640
so i'm with my sister and so she calls

1611
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,760
me donna calls me and uh

1612
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:19,359
asked me hey by the way what hospital

1613
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,799
were you born at we were born at the

1614
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:22,400
same hospital

1615
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:24,960
exactly an hour apart

1616
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:27,520
and uh it's you know we had we have so

1617
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:29,599
many synchronicities together anyway i i

1618
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,880
just thought that's a fun little tip

1619
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:32,400
that's so right there

1620
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,160
i love that story really

1621
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,400
yeah and i i always wonder you know i

1622
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,720
always wonder like if if we really are

1623
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:40,319
like souls in our consciousness

1624
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:42,640
continues and that you know we were

1625
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,599
before we were born we had some say in

1626
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,520
knowledge of who we were going to be

1627
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:49,599
when we were going to be born that you

1628
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:52,240
know our groups of souls kind of you

1629
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,000
know incarnating

1630
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:56,880
together in like certain locations in

1631
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,559
certain cities and states and areas of

1632
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,720
the globe because they they've lived

1633
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,079
there before that's kind of an

1634
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:04,319
interesting idea that i have and

1635
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:06,480
i mean who knows right i mean the same

1636
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,960
hospital on our part

1637
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:10,480
well that yeah i know it's pretty

1638
01:01:14,710 --> 01:01:12,559
amazing well we certainly a lot of us

1639
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,720
wouldn't pick our parents

1640
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,119
if we if we had you know i mean so i

1641
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,359
don't know about that but um yeah it's

1642
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,440
all it's all fascinating i mean this

1643
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:23,040
this conversation

1644
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:24,640
i think you know we're bouncing off of

1645
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:25,440
you

1646
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:28,559
out of the ufo topic a lot but uh when

1647
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:29,520
someone

1648
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,640
has contacted me and they say to me

1649
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:34,400
um

1650
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:36,720
there's the connection between ufos and

1651
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:38,960
consciousness and you and this is a part

1652
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,559
of your movie too

1653
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,640
what does that exactly mean i i had

1654
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:44,640
someone that was telling me this

1655
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:47,119
from australia on the show a few months

1656
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,160
ago he tried to explain it but i didn't

1657
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:52,480
i didn't get exactly what he was saying

1658
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,799
i mean is it that they don't really

1659
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:56,000
exist

1660
01:02:01,029 --> 01:01:58,880
but they do in our consciousness

1661
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,039
well and if that's so then why is mass

1662
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,640
sightings how does mass sightings work

1663
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,039
in that equation you know that um this

1664
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,559
these are reasonable questions and we

1665
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,240
don't have clear answers obviously

1666
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:09,839
because of that saying of course but

1667
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,319
even in the dod threat scenario

1668
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,200
uh the eight type sub focus areas they

1669
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:17,039
they mentioned that the the scientist is

1670
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:18,400
for an enemy of the united states to

1671
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:21,839
manipulate both physical and cognitive

1672
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,400
environments in order to penetrate u.s

1673
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,680
facilities

1674
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:27,839
influence decision makers what is that

1675
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,640
all about they admit to cognitive human

1676
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:32,400
interface based

1677
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:33,760
research

1678
01:02:38,549 --> 01:02:36,799
we call it psychic consciousness

1679
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,559
uh you know there's many different ways

1680
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,920
to term it they're not going to say

1681
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,680
exactly that i liked how they did it

1682
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,920
cognitive human interference there's

1683
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:45,520
interaction of some type and they've

1684
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,480
surely thrown remote viewers at the

1685
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:51,039
phenomena to see if we could communicate

1686
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,240
possibly

1687
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:54,319
uh so uh

1688
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,640
it's hard to get at that issue there is

1689
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:58,480
a conscious component look at look at

1690
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:01,520
the ce5s we just went up to one dave and

1691
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:05,920
i we filmed uh mike murnbrook's ce5

1692
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,200
at his dobby ranch in florida uh just

1693
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,520
north of tampa and the point is

1694
01:03:15,910 --> 01:03:13,440
people say they're successful at

1695
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,920
interacting via mental intention

1696
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,520
something that has been demonstrated to

1697
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,160
be valid in in laboratory settings in

1698
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,039
regular scientific well-blinded studies

1699
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:25,119
and people are saying they are somewhat

1700
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,960
successful maybe not necessarily all the

1701
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,280
time but they're calling them what they

1702
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:32,400
claim to call down and video it photo it

1703
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:36,000
in intelligence light orbs

1704
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:37,680
craft whatever you want to call it

1705
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,760
plasma based intelligence we can even go

1706
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,119
there

1707
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:43,440
maybe maybe we should the point is what

1708
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,880
is consciousness and

1709
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:47,039
can people successfully and i think they

1710
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,200
can from what what i see

1711
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:51,680
and and what they are saying that there

1712
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,079
is telepathy a download or exchange of

1713
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,440
information both between the individual

1714
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:59,200
and something else something that's

1715
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:01,599
responsive in some way

1716
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,160
um a subtle possibly uh and more

1717
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,839
pronounced in other ways but the thing

1718
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,000
is what's that all about there's a

1719
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,640
consciousness uap link

1720
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:13,359
um

1721
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:18,799
the the gentleman from the fire control

1722
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:21,200
later men from the uh right uss

1723
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:24,079
princeton claimed that he had had some

1724
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:28,240
type of um psychic communication

1725
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,280
occur when he witnessed the objects that

1726
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:33,680
he saw in my film and i don't go into

1727
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:35,200
that in my films because i didn't even

1728
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:37,839
know how to approach it at that time but

1729
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:38,880
you know

1730
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:41,440
i was thinking today about uh shot you

1731
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:43,839
know the kind of one of the grandfathers

1732
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:45,680
of ufo studies in the united states jack

1733
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:46,640
valley

1734
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:49,440
said that the the phenomena exists in a

1735
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:50,960
physical

1736
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:53,920
way because it does interact and affect

1737
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,319
the environment and as has been just

1738
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:58,319
demonstrated by you know these

1739
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,079
researchers that have been studying

1740
01:05:04,230 --> 01:05:02,000
these cases they know that

1741
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,240
that these objects are real objects but

1742
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,400
then there's this other component

1743
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:08,559
you know that he says could be some type

1744
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:11,680
of control system that does um interact

1745
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,000
with us on a conscious level

1746
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:15,920
or a subconscious level that may be

1747
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,359
influencing humanity in some way um over

1748
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,000
you know eons because he goes back to

1749
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,960
you know the stories of elves and so on

1750
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:26,480
and little people

1751
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,680
and that would um in those days would

1752
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:31,520
also abduct humans and so on so there

1753
01:05:36,309 --> 01:05:34,319
was these similar things and and that as

1754
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,319
time went on it would change in the

1755
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:38,160
1800s you had the airships that looked

1756
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:41,039
like dirtiables um as the 50s came

1757
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:43,280
around with jet aircraft you had shiny

1758
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,640
silver craft um you know today you have

1759
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:49,520
these very advanced looking

1760
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,400
devices that do seem to be physical

1761
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:55,280
objects but then there's this other

1762
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,559
component that you know not surprisingly

1763
01:06:01,589 --> 01:06:00,240
a lot of people kind of ignore that

1764
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,599
because it's just a little bit too

1765
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,760
absurd some of the reports and some of

1766
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:05,920
the experiences people have

1767
01:06:07,990 --> 01:06:06,640
with

1768
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:08,000
whatever this

1769
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:11,039
you know phenomena really is

1770
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,720
yeah um you know you talk about the

1771
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:14,880
airships i i just want to

1772
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:16,160
bring up

1773
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:17,599
something here

1774
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,000
that i just think is fascinating um

1775
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,760
because

1776
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:23,520
i don't know what this thing is but it's

1777
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:25,920
very interesting and someone sent this

1778
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,599
to me and it's definitely an 18 century

1779
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:31,440
log from a ship

1780
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,720
and so it basically says uh um in the

1781
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,559
middle of this

1782
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:39,200
script it'll say um i'll just read it

1783
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,960
real quickly a strange story is going on

1784
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:43,039
that a fleet of ships have been seen in

1785
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,440
the air some part of the bay of fundy

1786
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:47,440
now this is this is the way it's written

1787
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:48,720
okay so it's

1788
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,559
uh

1789
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,960
m darrow is lately up there and i

1790
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:55,200
inquired from him basically it was about

1791
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,240
a girl

1792
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:57,839
about sunrise

1793
01:07:02,630 --> 01:06:59,920
uh being frightened to call out to two

1794
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,640
men and what they saw was ships in the

1795
01:07:06,789 --> 01:07:04,400
air 15 of them

1796
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:06,799
and they were so near people that they

1797
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,520
could see the sides and ports and there

1798
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:11,440
seemed to be a man in the front holding

1799
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:12,880
his arm out

1800
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:15,119
you know i love that that someone found

1801
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:18,640
this in an old you know ship's log uh

1802
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:21,200
and it's it's just another bizarre that

1803
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,760
is crazy and some of the more modern

1804
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,160
ones sound very similar except

1805
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:28,559
i forget the the case there was a priest

1806
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,640
it was in like the philippines or

1807
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:32,880
somewhere uh ramon on an island and they

1808
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,400
saw the craft hovering off the beach

1809
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,319
and they noticed that there were men

1810
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,920
that were standing on top of the craft

1811
01:07:43,270 --> 01:07:41,039
and they were they seemed to be

1812
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:43,280
repairing it and that's a reoccurring

1813
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,640
theme in a lot of these cases of

1814
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,799
humanoids where it seems that there's

1815
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:48,880
guys that will climb out on top of the

1816
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:51,680
ufo that's hovering in the sky and like

1817
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:52,400
in

1818
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:59,839
native guys on the boat oh yeah yeah

1819
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:01,119
you're talking about the father gill

1820
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,960
case yeah yeah yeah that one's kind of

1821
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,920
you know

1822
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,280
yeah

1823
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,599
i love that one well you know uh it

1824
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,599
reminds me of what

1825
01:08:13,510 --> 01:08:12,000
what really turned me onto ufology at

1826
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,520
least one of the most important things

1827
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:15,760
was the discussion by the former

1828
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:19,199
astronaut gordon cooper as you recall

1829
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,880
um i i remember him succinctly saying he

1830
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,520
wouldn't even either white sands

1831
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:27,520
proving grounds or something like that

1832
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:29,839
help me out uh yeah

1833
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,600
it landed a little craft came in they

1834
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:34,319
filmed yeah and yeah and people came out

1835
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,520
they played around i don't know what

1836
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:37,440
they did but and then they went back in

1837
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,400
was that

1838
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:41,279
holloman air force base is that the one

1839
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,960
but martin you must know more about it

1840
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:44,880
than i but that but the point is it's

1841
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:46,640
coming from going cooper

1842
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,440
that

1843
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:49,440
got my attention

1844
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,239
yeah yeah yeah it's amazing and right

1845
01:08:56,470 --> 01:08:54,400
right till his the very end he was

1846
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,480
saying there's really something going on

1847
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:58,640
here he totally believed it he had two

1848
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,759
encounters

1849
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:01,520
you know including as a pilot including

1850
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:02,880
that one

1851
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:08,640
when that happened and i don't have the

1852
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:11,359
specifics here but he had the film and

1853
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:12,480
he

1854
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:23,040
that went off to washington and that was

1855
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,880
never heard from again which

1856
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,759
you know

1857
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:28,000
somewhere there's these films

1858
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,120
um

1859
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,520
just they would be so great to to see

1860
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:33,600
them and know more about them dave i'd

1861
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:36,080
like to ask you uh before we started the

1862
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:39,759
show you were telling me about the 2019

1863
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,640
uh

1864
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:42,880
events out near where the nimitz was i

1865
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,279
believe that's what you said right

1866
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:47,120
yeah that's right um

1867
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:49,279
today a lot of people that follow this

1868
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:51,759
topic are very aware of it especially if

1869
01:09:56,310 --> 01:09:55,360
you're you know following ufo twitter um

1870
01:10:00,830 --> 01:09:56,320
you know

1871
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:00,840
i think that um

1872
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,080
researcher um jeremy corbell through

1873
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:07,120
george knapp also released recently uh

1874
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:09,520
last year i think some footage that was

1875
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:11,199
like flir footage

1876
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,840
of the uss omaha so that got a lot of

1877
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:16,000
traction but going and that's the same

1878
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:19,440
event that that's july 2019 but going

1879
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,080
back a year before that around april of

1880
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:24,719
2020 no one had ever heard of any of

1881
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:25,600
that

1882
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:26,480
event

1883
01:10:30,950 --> 01:10:28,800
it just was unknown but a navy sailor

1884
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:30,960
that was out there

1885
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:34,080
during the nimitz encounters in 2004 he

1886
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,719
himself was involved in one of those

1887
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,400
incidents it's not in my film but he

1888
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,400
kind of described it and he asked me

1889
01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:42,320
just off the cuff he's like have you

1890
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,199
heard of the uh you know incident in

1891
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,840
july of 2019 i said no he said well my

1892
01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:49,760
buddy that was on the ship

1893
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,560
now

1894
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,360
um works for a contractor i believe he

1895
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,719
never gave me kind of gave me that

1896
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:56,480
information he said that he was on the

1897
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,679
uss kid in july of 2019 and they saw the

1898
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,600
same objects and i said well what do you

1899
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,719
mean i didn't heard of these he goes

1900
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,800
yeah they saw these

1901
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,800
he said tic tac objects that's what he

1902
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:08,560
used his email to me

1903
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:10,480
and i know this guy i checked out this

1904
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,199
guy's um credentials and he really is

1905
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:16,320
who he says he was right so

1906
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:19,840
i did a foia request um on that ship for

1907
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:22,400
the entire month of july and when i got

1908
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,360
it back i started finding um

1909
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,040
time after time after time it was

1910
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,520
reporting they were using the term uav

1911
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,400
drones uas like it would say spotted

1912
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:34,800
multiple drones off starboard side you

1913
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:37,360
know spotted flashing red lights and

1914
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,880
this went on and on and on and there was

1915
01:11:41,510 --> 01:11:40,159
a whole bunch of new stuff that we

1916
01:11:42,390 --> 01:11:41,520
discovered

1917
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:42,400
and

1918
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:43,840
a researcher

1919
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:46,159
dr um mark zuccotti or i'm sorry mark

1920
01:11:51,189 --> 01:11:48,239
zuccotti and dr adam kehoe

1921
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,199
wrote some articles for the drive and in

1922
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,960
their foias and in their research they

1923
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,480
discovered using

1924
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:57,360
ship transponder data that is public

1925
01:12:02,790 --> 01:11:59,840
domain information about pretty much the

1926
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:02,800
entire world's ships they zeroed in on

1927
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:05,120
that area and discovered that there were

1928
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,280
um you know multiple warships that were

1929
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,000
there i think up to maybe 10 or 12. and

1930
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,800
so over the next year we began

1931
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:14,400
doing foias

1932
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:17,120
for all of that material and sure enough

1933
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:19,760
all these ships concurrently that were

1934
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:23,360
out in so-called socal um you know south

1935
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,760
um i guess it would be west of san

1936
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,760
clemente island out there in the ocean

1937
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:30,159
we're seeing these objects and it didn't

1938
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:31,920
give too much description in the log it

1939
01:12:35,430 --> 01:12:34,000
would just like i said uh mentioned that

1940
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,440
they were spotted

1941
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:38,239
lights flashing red lights one says

1942
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:40,159
white light hovering over the flight

1943
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,040
deck

1944
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:43,679
and you know after that event the navy

1945
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,159
began conducting some investigations

1946
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,159
which appeared to show that they were

1947
01:12:52,470 --> 01:12:50,480
trying to find out who

1948
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,480
was operating these things like they it

1949
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:54,239
wasn't a training exercise that they

1950
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:56,960
didn't know where they came from what

1951
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:59,360
they were they only appeared to to show

1952
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,640
up at night

1953
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:02,400
and they showed up for the latter part

1954
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,960
of july almost you know every every few

1955
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:07,199
nights or every every you know like week

1956
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,640
or whatever until the end of the month

1957
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,560
as far as we know

1958
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,920
they even went you know some of the

1959
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:13,679
researchers went as far as going up to

1960
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:15,840
the chief of naval operations and asking

1961
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,080
in a pref conference at the pentagon if

1962
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,080
the navy knew it heard about this and

1963
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,840
that they knew what these were

1964
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:24,080
and this admiral said

1965
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,600
yeah i know what you're talking about we

1966
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:27,120
still don't know you know who was

1967
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,360
operating those or what they were in

1968
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,960
other words it's unknown aerial

1969
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:32,560
phenomena

1970
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:34,000
that we're operating out there and the

1971
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,600
navy has no absolutely no idea

1972
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,840
what they were or who was operating and

1973
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:42,239
there's some conjecture that they might

1974
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:45,440
have been drones operated by russia or

1975
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,560
china for instance um but you know it's

1976
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:49,840
kind of concerning that that would

1977
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:51,360
happen right in our own backyard and

1978
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,679
that based on you know the information

1979
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,520
that's out there it's it's pretty

1980
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:58,159
profound and to this day there's really

1981
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:59,360
not a good

1982
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:00,640
answer

1983
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,880
i've been kind of stymied in my research

1984
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:03,760
because

1985
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,600
after that those first articles and

1986
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:08,080
national press coverage in like popular

1987
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:11,600
mechanics and forbes and many newspapers

1988
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,480
around the world that covered the story

1989
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:16,800
um the pentagon sort of clamped out on

1990
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:19,679
all research into that specific event

1991
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:22,400
the first uh foias i did they sent me

1992
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,199
the entire ship log today if you try to

1993
01:14:29,430 --> 01:14:26,960
foia those ships

1994
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:29,440
the foia gets re-routed to

1995
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:31,360
like the office of secular defense or

1996
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:32,880
the top navy

1997
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:36,000
offices where they're reviewed as uap

1998
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,719
requests so they're actually

1999
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:41,040
channeling journalists foia requests to

2000
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,600
this office in the pentagon for review

2001
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:46,320
and you know the the last foia request

2002
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,800
that i had out for this specific case

2003
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,960
was from about a year ago and it's still

2004
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:52,000
out there

2005
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,040
whereas in before that coverage in that

2006
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,600
kind of national exposure of this when i

2007
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:59,120
would request a log i'd get it in a

2008
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,719
month or two

2009
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:02,480
so wow

2010
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:05,360
wow amazing and you know you hear people

2011
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,480
like

2012
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,880
um neil degrasse tyson

2013
01:15:11,830 --> 01:15:10,560
what did he say why are these things

2014
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:11,840
only

2015
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:14,480
seen by military people you know i mean

2016
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:15,760
that's such a

2017
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:18,719
uh a weird statement but uh

2018
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,440
because of course that's bs but it is

2019
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,760
pretty interesting that there are so

2020
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:25,760
many military

2021
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:28,080
sightings you know there are there's so

2022
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,920
much interaction it seems to be so much

2023
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,040
interaction

2024
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,600
and it's also surprising that because of

2025
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:36,239
that the air force is is largely silent

2026
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,520
on the issue it's a navy right yeah

2027
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:41,840
navy test for some reason

2028
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:42,719
yeah

2029
01:15:48,870 --> 01:15:46,800
right why why the why the like you know

2030
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:48,880
i don't know if if it was because these

2031
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:51,840
objects were approaching the military

2032
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:54,719
areas and the objects were interested or

2033
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:56,800
it was just random you know i i know

2034
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:58,719
that in the nimitz case

2035
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,840
kevin um who was following them on radar

2036
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,040
thought that they didn't want to have

2037
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,880
anything to do with the navy that they

2038
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:07,199
were just flying by and mounting their

2039
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,719
own business

2040
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,520
um in this case this in the 2019 case

2041
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:13,280
now these objects were flying around the

2042
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:14,640
ship

2043
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,719
the guy that originally

2044
01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:18,880
you know helped me break the story said

2045
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:21,199
that they were not thrown into the the

2046
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:23,600
the you know navy guy personnel that

2047
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:25,679
were on the ships saw them clearly with

2048
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:28,000
a naked eye and they were not

2049
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:29,600
you know conventional drones now what

2050
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,719
they saw

2051
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,679
has

2052
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:33,440
you know not been revealed really

2053
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:34,400
because

2054
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,560
we've been unable to get anybody to like

2055
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:38,640
talk like out of all the hundreds and

2056
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,000
hundreds of uh

2057
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,159
people thousands of sailors that would

2058
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:44,320
have been out there you know one one

2059
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:46,000
destroyer might have like three or four

2060
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:47,679
hundred people on it i believe there

2061
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:49,280
were numerous destroyers it was an

2062
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:50,640
aircraft carrier

2063
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,159
nobody is talking to say what they saw

2064
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,320
i'm not sure if they were all forced to

2065
01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:58,480
sign some kind of nda or something like

2066
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,640
that but it sure seems like that there

2067
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:03,280
was a gag order sent down to everybody

2068
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:04,960
and it's not only right not only that

2069
01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:06,719
exactly exactly look at all the

2070
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:08,719
astronauts uh

2071
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,600
there's

2072
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:11,760
gone on record afterwards of course

2073
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:14,000
we're well aware of that uh then but

2074
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:15,520
then you start hearing that almost every

2075
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,400
astronaut

2076
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:17,760
has encountered something that they

2077
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:19,360
can't explain

2078
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:21,920
what that means who knows edgar mitchell

2079
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:23,920
unfortunately didn't get to meet him i

2080
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:26,560
was going to but he did pass away a few

2081
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,840
years ago

2082
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:29,520
[Music]

2083
01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:32,320
a very good source a friend of his

2084
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:34,880
relayed the the information to to me

2085
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:35,760
that

2086
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:38,480
on their approach to the moon they saw a

2087
01:17:44,790 --> 01:17:43,440
a uav uh details uh you know i won't get

2088
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:44,800
into but

2089
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,840
that event more than convinced me that

2090
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:49,120
that it's not

2091
01:17:53,189 --> 01:17:50,400
human-made

2092
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,199
uh what it was was obviously more than a

2093
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:54,800
curiosity to him

2094
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:56,719
that combined with his overview effect

2095
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,280
that we spoke of earlier led him he had

2096
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:01,360
a peak experience on that how can one

2097
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:05,600
not like william shatner when he landed

2098
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:08,000
it led him to develop found at the

2099
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,960
institute for noetic sciences a think

2100
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:12,800
tank that is ongoing now let the

2101
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,120
research scientists dean reagan who's in

2102
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:16,960
that documentary is currently doing

2103
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:19,600
research and has for for decades there

2104
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:22,000
so isn't that interesting how that peak

2105
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,840
experience altered his viewpoints on

2106
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,560
life uh

2107
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,239
and in many different ways so the point

2108
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,719
where he even helped co-found certainly

2109
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,640
the d the indoctrinated missile

2110
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:34,400
foundation for research into

2111
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,280
extraterrestrial experiences i mean that

2112
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:40,560
alone uh he was a believer

2113
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,320
this these kinds of events are happening

2114
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:45,360
to people in in each different way as

2115
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:47,360
the number of people exists on this

2116
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:50,480
planet enough so here again that there's

2117
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:52,080
ego dissolution

2118
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:54,320
there's a search for the answer there's

2119
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:55,840
a feeling of interrelatedness with

2120
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:58,400
reality than they never had before

2121
01:19:03,510 --> 01:19:01,280
and and we can't dismiss that that

2122
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:03,520
uh as an as a

2123
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:06,320
non-existent aspect of ufology because

2124
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:08,560
it is people are having peak experiences

2125
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,320
when they interact with this phenomena

2126
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:12,000
and the beings

2127
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:12,880
in it

2128
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:16,320
in our survey of over 4 000 people

2129
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:17,199
um

2130
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,040
of course the grades are commonly seen

2131
01:19:22,550 --> 01:19:21,360
but obviously human looking energy

2132
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:22,560
beings

2133
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,719
even ghosts

2134
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:26,400
it's remarkable

2135
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:28,480
it's not just seeing and interacting

2136
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,719
with the beings but there's a lot more

2137
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,560
associated with the interaction

2138
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,800
experience in general that cyclical

2139
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:36,960
nature that follows them home whether

2140
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,760
it's from

2141
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,600
hitchhiker effect

2142
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,600
yes and this has been going on for a

2143
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:43,840
long time you know people have uh

2144
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:46,159
impending concern

2145
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:48,400
they know that they're going to have an

2146
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,800
encounter or interact with a being

2147
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:52,960
before it even happens before the body

2148
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:55,199
in other words may become aware of it

2149
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,280
whatever that means you know you get you

2150
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:59,280
get into this area where

2151
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,719
consciousness you know to the point

2152
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,800
where ballet and hynek after years of

2153
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:04,640
studying the phenomena

2154
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,360
they were on the same page in believing

2155
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:09,840
that it's of course again a physical but

2156
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:12,960
also a psychic phenomena and and we're

2157
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:15,199
in the same place where people yeah off

2158
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,040
the nimitz the kid they're seeing lights

2159
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:19,440
in the sky but aren't are these not the

2160
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,840
same lights that they saw outside their

2161
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,400
their you know b1 bombers in world war

2162
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,000
ii the foo fighters

2163
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:28,320
are they not are they not the other

2164
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:30,239
breadcrumbs that this intelligence seems

2165
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:32,159
to give us as gary nolan mentioned the

2166
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,520
other day to me

2167
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:35,520
are they feeding us a little bit here or

2168
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:38,320
there the airships of the 1890s what's

2169
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:39,600
that all about

2170
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,040
uh mass hysteria plus you know etc or a

2171
01:20:48,229 --> 01:20:45,600
coexisting intelligent life

2172
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,239
could it be plasma based you know i you

2173
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:50,400
have to pose that no not all of you of

2174
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,280
uaps please we're probably probably

2175
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:54,719
talking about many different types of

2176
01:20:59,830 --> 01:20:57,520
uaps different diff from another planet

2177
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:59,840
to another dimension to plasma base

2178
01:21:04,149 --> 01:21:02,159
that's a co-existing life form or

2179
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:04,159
whatever my opinion is worth

2180
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,760
and there's evidence for that in the

2181
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,920
laboratory where david baum as well as

2182
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:10,239
russian plasma physicists say hey you

2183
01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:11,600
know what you add a little bit of

2184
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,320
electron material to it and this planet

2185
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,480
behaves that this is it has some

2186
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:18,560
intelligence

2187
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,320
that of a living cell

2188
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,199
now combine that basic science lab work

2189
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:25,600
results with what with the results of

2190
01:21:29,750 --> 01:21:28,320
astrophysicists who studied these orbs

2191
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,760
these lights that people see in the

2192
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:31,440
hazdalen lights

2193
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,480
um mathematica durrani he came to

2194
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:36,560
conclusion after a decade plus two

2195
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,199
decades of studying these lights after

2196
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:41,040
after doing his

2197
01:21:44,229 --> 01:21:43,040
strict scientific mythological

2198
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:44,239
techniques

2199
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,000
publishing in journals about the

2200
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,560
physical aspect of phenomena

2201
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:50,400
now coming around to the point where he

2202
01:21:54,149 --> 01:21:52,639
says that you know what

2203
01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,159
it's intelligent

2204
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:56,560
it interacts with you this will willful

2205
01:22:02,470 --> 01:21:59,679
purposeful intention what's that okay

2206
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:02,480
did he go off his rocker nah nah

2207
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,800
nah ah you can't say for sure but i

2208
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:06,000
don't think so

2209
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:09,760
combine that quickly with with uh

2210
01:22:13,550 --> 01:22:12,080
another astrophysicist harvey rutledge

2211
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:13,560
in missouri in the

2212
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,480
1880s and 90s came to the same

2213
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,639
conclusion after decades of studying a

2214
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:20,320
decade of studying the lights that were

2215
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:22,880
unique to that area of missouri

2216
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:25,520
at a different time different place

2217
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:26,880
they didn't kind of respond from what

2218
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:28,639
they understand about it

2219
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:30,480
they after

2220
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,960
believing it has to be geothermal

2221
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,600
ionizing gas of some type and possibly

2222
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,960
plasma base they can't make inclusion

2223
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:38,480
that whatever it was

2224
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,280
likely plasma based this electric

2225
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:43,280
electrostatic force it can have physical

2226
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,719
effects on humans that's why people

2227
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:46,880
report these burns maybe even memory

2228
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:49,120
lapses lapses if it interferes with the

2229
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,920
temporal lobe causing these time time

2230
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:54,239
distortions possibly

2231
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:57,040
or not you know it's going to conjecture

2232
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,080
uh

2233
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,800
so so um

2234
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,679
uh

2235
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:03,840
yeah that that's essentially where it's

2236
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:06,719
at right now and uh and and it presented

2237
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:10,080
a convoluting variable in it all

2238
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:10,880
um

2239
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,560
uh you mentioned gary nolan a couple of

2240
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:14,639
times and i just wanted to say that uh

2241
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:17,360
gary is coming up on this show dr gary

2242
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,760
nolan should be a great show on

2243
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:21,199
march 15th

2244
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:22,960
and so far

2245
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:23,920
uh

2246
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:26,639
chris mellon is tentative for the second

2247
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:27,520
hour

2248
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:30,239
he says he'd love to come on and

2249
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,760
looks pretty good promising so that

2250
01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:33,280
should be an excellent show when that

2251
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:35,600
when that happens um so i just wanted to

2252
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:37,920
mention that that's on the 15th and

2253
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:39,600
here's a question here

2254
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,320
um do you think we have as a possible

2255
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:44,239
you know doing a little jag here to the

2256
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:45,120
side

2257
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:47,520
do we have anti-gravity tech is do you

2258
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:52,070
i mean a lot of people are saying hey

2259
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,920
look what we're seeing out there these

2260
01:23:59,189 --> 01:23:56,400
big triangles and stuff are are ours

2261
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:59,199
anti-gravity um but you know my argument

2262
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,560
to that okay well they've been seeing

2263
01:24:04,709 --> 01:24:03,199
that since 1940 here you know

2264
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,719
1970

2265
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,719
exactly the time that there's a time

2266
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:09,120
element that that is that's can't be

2267
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,080
explainable uh you know usually what we

2268
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,679
see in the skies is ten years from

2269
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,440
what's made public at least that's what

2270
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:17,520
the b1 bomber and a few other planes

2271
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,920
have told us where we scratch our head

2272
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:21,440
but then it's revealed what it really

2273
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:22,320
was

2274
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,800
uh no this has been like you said to

2275
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:26,239
people reporting these kinds of

2276
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:29,760
experiences uh long before

2277
01:24:35,990 --> 01:24:32,239
unified field theory

2278
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:36,000
gravitational forces acknowledged

2279
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,000
nick cook's book the hunt for zero point

2280
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:40,239
is a really good primer on that although

2281
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:42,719
it was written quite a while ago

2282
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,199
when i first read that i mean i was

2283
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,520
blown away by the amount of research he

2284
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,920
did and basically he started off doing

2285
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,199
his research

2286
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,679
as a senior editor for

2287
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,159
jane's defense you know writing about

2288
01:25:00,390 --> 01:24:58,400
military applications somebody put like

2289
01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:00,400
a manila envelope on his desk that had

2290
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:03,280
all these uh newspaper clippings of

2291
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:05,840
anti-gravity research in the 1950s that

2292
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:08,159
was saying that we we are on the brink

2293
01:25:11,830 --> 01:25:10,400
of a discovery we are right you know

2294
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:11,840
within the next decade we're going to

2295
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,400
have this breakthrough in anti-gravity

2296
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,040
technology so he spends like the next

2297
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,440
number of years trying to track down all

2298
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:21,760
of these leads he's been given you know

2299
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,679
following it all around the globe and

2300
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,199
you know sort of in the end he doesn't

2301
01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,679
he he looks at the german scientists for

2302
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,000
instance the nazis that came out of that

2303
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:32,000
those aerospace programs and what they

2304
01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,920
had he goes to the united states and

2305
01:25:38,229 --> 01:25:35,600
talks with all the defend or the big

2306
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,239
aerospace companies um at one point i

2307
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:40,320
think that um he says it was an april

2308
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,920
fools joke where

2309
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:43,360
one i think it was lockheed martin or

2310
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,239
one of the

2311
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,400
defense contractors he was

2312
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:48,960
with wrote like when he was um out of

2313
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,639
the room they wrote astra on the board

2314
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,320
or something like that and so when he

2315
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:55,360
came back he he saw it and um then they

2316
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,400
said it was an april fool's joke

2317
01:26:03,270 --> 01:26:00,480
the tr3b or whatever

2318
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,280
the anti-gravity uh spacecraft

2319
01:26:08,070 --> 01:26:06,080
but i mean since that book and um until

2320
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,080
today you know people have asked me

2321
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,560
about the tic tac objects could these be

2322
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:13,600
us technology black budget programs and

2323
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,840
they're actually they can't reveal this

2324
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:17,199
technology of the public but they're

2325
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,480
operational

2326
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:20,480
and that some people know about it i

2327
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,280
mean

2328
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:23,280
i haven't seen anything to convince me

2329
01:26:26,149 --> 01:26:24,159
of that

2330
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,159
yet i don't i mean i if i had to put my

2331
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:27,679
money on it i would say that we don't

2332
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:31,199
have anti-gravity technology

2333
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,520
well um yeah you know i was contacted

2334
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:35,760
this week from someone that wanted to

2335
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:38,719
know what i thought about the tr 3b

2336
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:41,199
is that what it's called yeah right yeah

2337
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,040
um and i said

2338
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:45,199
yeah and i i said hasn't that been

2339
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:47,600
disproven i think there's controversy

2340
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:50,560
about it you know is it um

2341
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,400
there were some videos that were

2342
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:53,840
released that were kind of leaked to the

2343
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:56,480
internet that allegedly show this craft

2344
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:57,920
and fleer

2345
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,080
um i'm not sure if the debunking

2346
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,320
attempts have gone with that i know that

2347
01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:04,080
there's a whole there's probably two

2348
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,400
sides of it some people really believe

2349
01:27:10,149 --> 01:27:08,560
that there's uh photographic and video

2350
01:27:11,629 --> 01:27:10,159
evidence of this

2351
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:11,639
ultra secret

2352
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:14,560
anti-gravity craft that the us has and

2353
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:16,159
then people say no that's

2354
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,440
it's just a hoax so

2355
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:21,440
how about that the phone lines are open

2356
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:22,719
if you'd like to call in bill is

2357
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,790
you're welcome to call in for uh with a

2358
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:33,360
question for our guests tonight

2359
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,960
um

2360
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:36,880
except one particular person i want to

2361
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:39,520
make sure doesn't call it but uh uh but

2362
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,639
anyway that's a long story

2363
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:44,080
so uh

2364
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:45,520
i guess

2365
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:49,760
when

2366
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:52,080
someone has told me look you know these

2367
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:54,400
people are imagining these things it's

2368
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:55,840
something that they're it's in their

2369
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:58,840
brain or something like that uh

2370
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,520
so and and they're trying to tell me

2371
01:28:06,709 --> 01:28:03,280
this is the lincoln consciousness the

2372
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:06,719
consciences is uh manifesting this

2373
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:07,920
and

2374
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,120
uh statement is well what about mass

2375
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,280
sightings how could mass sightings you

2376
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:19,679
know happen in that case

2377
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:21,120
so

2378
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,080
what do you both think about that

2379
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:26,639
well or one of you

2380
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,480
that's a that's true i mean you could

2381
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,120
come up with some brain brain

2382
01:28:35,189 --> 01:28:33,440
explanations so there's a glitch of some

2383
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,199
type of course uh

2384
01:28:40,709 --> 01:28:37,199
that could account for some of the

2385
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:40,719
delusions association misinterpretations

2386
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,199
that people are reporting uh they're

2387
01:28:48,790 --> 01:28:45,840
they they want to believe so bad that

2388
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:48,800
they do and believe a dream is it of

2389
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,880
course we can be easily fooled without

2390
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,400
question but what about those mass

2391
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:54,239
sightings what about the piracy

2392
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,110
there's more than enough evidence to

2393
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,920
convince us uh that this is a real

2394
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:03,760
certain phenomenon

2395
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:05,760
um the question we

2396
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:06,880
don't have to

2397
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:09,199
analyze that anymore i think we're way

2398
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:11,360
beyond that i truly do

2399
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:14,880
um there's something out there uh

2400
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:17,679
and more than one something uh that is

2401
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:19,360
so complex that if we were given the

2402
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:20,880
answer we couldn't even understand the

2403
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,840
problem but uh yeah you have that desire

2404
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:25,679
with fierce determination to figure it

2405
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:28,880
out and uh yeah i i try to turn it off

2406
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,360
sometimes i'm successful sometimes not

2407
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:33,360
and this this conversation doesn't help

2408
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,040
gentlemen as far as much fun as it is

2409
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,760
getting continually said so

2410
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:41,760
yeah i mean i think that you know it's

2411
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:43,360
obviously a real phenomena and there's

2412
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,080
like as we said mass sightings um alone

2413
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:48,960
and in the last few years the u.s

2414
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,199
government has admitted that uap are

2415
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:53,920
real they know that they have released

2416
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,040
these

2417
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:56,800
videos that were

2418
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:59,199
filmed by you know our top pilots saying

2419
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:00,960
that these represent unknown aerial

2420
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:03,760
phenomena so whether that's unknown in

2421
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,840
the sense that it's conventional tech or

2422
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:07,440
you know advanced technology from our

2423
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,719
adversaries or um it's

2424
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:12,400
some type of technology that's not a

2425
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:14,880
rava surge and it's not ours and

2426
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:17,679
it leaves this kind of question um of

2427
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,000
whose technology it is and then on the

2428
01:30:24,550 --> 01:30:22,639
other part of it is like saying seeing

2429
01:30:26,709 --> 01:30:24,560
an object or filming an object or

2430
01:30:29,189 --> 01:30:26,719
filming the effects with the environment

2431
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,199
such as burn marks on the on the soil

2432
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:30,880
and that sort of thing there's this

2433
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:33,600
whole other aspect of human interaction

2434
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:36,480
with it and it goes beyond i think just

2435
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,520
you know

2436
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:39,440
being in the proximity of it and getting

2437
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:41,360
burned it goes to the point of people

2438
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:44,480
that have claimed that they've had these

2439
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,760
interactions with non-human intelligence

2440
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,760
you know they sometimes report seeing

2441
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,320
these humanoid creatures like the the

2442
01:30:56,950 --> 01:30:55,360
grays and other types of humanoid

2443
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:56,960
figures that are often

2444
01:31:01,030 --> 01:30:58,880
you know together um

2445
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:01,040
that this is repetitive in many of the

2446
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,480
cases so it

2447
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:04,320
it makes you think okay well is that

2448
01:31:10,229 --> 01:31:07,760
part of it not the same as the video

2449
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,239
because we have lots of video of what

2450
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:12,960
you would say would be uaps but i don't

2451
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:14,960
think that there's really much video at

2452
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:17,040
all of any of this other stuff that has

2453
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:20,000
to do with contactees and these uh

2454
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,159
lifelong experiences and

2455
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,960
messages and communications and you know

2456
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:26,960
being taken and dna and all of this

2457
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:28,560
stuff there's really that's all

2458
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:31,120
subjective stories and

2459
01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,560
might that be

2460
01:31:37,189 --> 01:31:35,120
you know consciousness at play is it's

2461
01:31:39,350 --> 01:31:37,199
you know i mean when when i started

2462
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:39,360
researching some of the out of body uh

2463
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:41,040
work that scientists were doing for

2464
01:31:46,390 --> 01:31:43,760
instance tom campbell when i was reading

2465
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:46,400
that today he was saying that they began

2466
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:48,719
um understanding that

2467
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:50,800
when you're in physical reality and then

2468
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,880
when you're say in a projective out of

2469
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:54,880
body state or something along those

2470
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:57,360
lines that you you're that's just as

2471
01:32:02,149 --> 01:31:59,120
real and the experiences that they were

2472
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:02,159
having in that kind of out of body mode

2473
01:32:06,550 --> 01:32:03,840
or astral projection that they were

2474
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:06,560
doing that those experiences were just

2475
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:09,120
as real they came to believe as the

2476
01:32:13,430 --> 01:32:11,280
physical waking reality it was just

2477
01:32:14,709 --> 01:32:13,440
different so

2478
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:14,719
is it possible that some of the

2479
01:32:19,350 --> 01:32:16,880
interactions that contactees and

2480
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:19,360
experiences are having are just as real

2481
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,520
as a physical experience and seeing a

2482
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:23,600
craft but there's a transition line that

2483
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:26,080
happens that then it's in a different

2484
01:32:30,790 --> 01:32:28,400
it's a non-physical reality or something

2485
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,800
like that i mean i think that that's

2486
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:32,800
possible or plausible

2487
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:35,520
and this makes it so complex yeah

2488
01:32:40,629 --> 01:32:38,400
yeah i want i wanted to show this here

2489
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:40,639
um just because i think it's fascinating

2490
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:42,239
someone sent me this

2491
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:44,800
um let me see if i can make it

2492
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:47,840
well it doesn't really help any um but

2493
01:32:52,629 --> 01:32:49,840
so this is a uh

2494
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:52,639
supposed to be a navy uh patent and it

2495
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:55,440
has to do with a laser beam that would

2496
01:32:58,870 --> 01:32:56,320
um

2497
01:33:00,870 --> 01:32:58,880
laser induce plasma filament

2498
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:00,880
a lot of people are talking about this

2499
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:02,560
so it will detract

2500
01:33:06,550 --> 01:33:05,520
um homing missiles and the

2501
01:33:08,709 --> 01:33:06,560
the

2502
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:08,719
person that sent this to me was saying

2503
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:10,639
you know this is what people are seeing

2504
01:33:15,669 --> 01:33:12,880
like we see these videos and i i don't

2505
01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:15,679
exactly uh that doesn't really uh work

2506
01:33:18,950 --> 01:33:17,600
for me that those that the government

2507
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:18,960
would say

2508
01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:20,560
um you know that these videos are

2509
01:33:24,709 --> 01:33:23,120
unexplained when we were using this type

2510
01:33:25,830 --> 01:33:24,719
of technology i don't know if either one

2511
01:33:27,910 --> 01:33:25,840
of you have

2512
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:27,920
seen this

2513
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:29,600
yeah i've seen it heard about it yeah i

2514
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:32,000
mean it's fascinating it's it's amazing

2515
01:33:37,910 --> 01:33:35,120
technology that the navy is planning on

2516
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:37,920
i believe um for aircraft systems you

2517
01:33:41,350 --> 01:33:40,080
know perhaps the air force as well there

2518
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:41,360
would be a counter mission

2519
01:33:44,629 --> 01:33:43,520
countermeasure that could defeat an

2520
01:33:45,430 --> 01:33:44,639
incoming

2521
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:45,440
say

2522
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:48,080
ir missile that's trying to strike the

2523
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:50,480
aircraft and they could actually project

2524
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:51,360
um

2525
01:33:55,830 --> 01:33:53,840
a physical object or like it looks like

2526
01:33:58,229 --> 01:33:55,840
it's a light but it looks like a an

2527
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:58,239
object to the the radar for instance

2528
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:00,639
even and it can be picked up on radar

2529
01:34:05,669 --> 01:34:03,440
and also like a homing missile so i mean

2530
01:34:08,390 --> 01:34:05,679
you know i think that that research has

2531
01:34:11,189 --> 01:34:08,400
been going on for a long time um plasma

2532
01:34:13,830 --> 01:34:11,199
beam type um you know

2533
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:13,840
proton beam plasma generation

2534
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:16,960
um that can actually produce in the sky

2535
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:20,719
a luminous object so there could be you

2536
01:34:24,629 --> 01:34:23,040
know in the past um misidentifications

2537
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:24,639
of these types of tests that were going

2538
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:26,880
on that's for sure

2539
01:34:29,350 --> 01:34:28,320
are all of them that way i don't think

2540
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,360
so

2541
01:34:32,310 --> 01:34:30,800
right and what you're talking about

2542
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:32,320
might relate all right

2543
01:34:34,149 --> 01:34:33,440
you're right

2544
01:34:37,189 --> 01:34:34,159
yeah

2545
01:34:39,669 --> 01:34:37,199
it might relate to the uh the the video

2546
01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:39,679
taken by i believe it was the iss which

2547
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:41,360
shows help me out martin you know you

2548
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:43,280
know this where you see the streak

2549
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:45,760
looking at the earth you see this streak

2550
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:48,000
uh looks could be that laser beam and

2551
01:34:53,350 --> 01:34:51,199
misundertaking mistaken for a uh uap of

2552
01:34:55,189 --> 01:34:53,360
some type who knows the space weapon you

2553
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:55,199
can't discount that possibility let's

2554
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,320
face it right

2555
01:35:01,270 --> 01:34:58,960
but it was a long time ago

2556
01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:01,280
1990s i believe

2557
01:35:07,109 --> 01:35:04,080
um but um do you think what about what

2558
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:07,119
fravor saw i mean um yeah obviously

2559
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:09,199
there's this question that we would test

2560
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,639
something without the knowledge of the

2561
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:12,000
aviators

2562
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:14,800
um you know whether the the navy or the

2563
01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:16,320
air force has the capability of

2564
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,360
projecting a 40-foot long capsule

2565
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:21,760
capsule shape white object that the

2566
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:23,920
aviators see with their eyes that can

2567
01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:26,159
actually maneuver and

2568
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,679
i don't know i mean do we have that

2569
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,760
technology if we do i'm i'm pretty happy

2570
01:35:33,430 --> 01:35:31,119
and i hope the russians don't but does

2571
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,440
it does it go from uh sixty thousand to

2572
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:35,280
fifty feet in uh what is it what's the

2573
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:37,360
time

2574
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,080
fraction of a second projection you know

2575
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:41,600
uh right well

2576
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:45,119
lightning can you know lightning can uh

2577
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:48,159
electrostatic force like plasma and the

2578
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:50,800
question is can it interact with us uh

2579
01:35:55,350 --> 01:35:52,719
we have to we can't just stamp that

2580
01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:55,360
possibility and i already plain playing

2581
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:57,199
the pieces in the chess game trying to

2582
01:36:00,390 --> 01:35:58,239
fit them

2583
01:36:02,310 --> 01:36:00,400
that makes sense to me so i can see

2584
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:02,320
certainly wrong but i don't think i'm

2585
01:36:07,189 --> 01:36:04,639
the only one who thinks that plasma can

2586
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:07,199
potentially be an intelligent

2587
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,760
life form coexisting on a planet

2588
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:11,360
interacting with us in part playing

2589
01:36:16,070 --> 01:36:14,000
games in part helping us in some ways

2590
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,080
he's just as people are good and bad

2591
01:36:19,669 --> 01:36:18,239
here here and

2592
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:19,679
on in

2593
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:21,600
in right here on the floor that we're

2594
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:24,239
standing on but we may have the same

2595
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:27,600
kind of situation as strange as as

2596
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:30,880
difficult it is to grasp uh that that

2597
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,719
coexists with our universe and and we as

2598
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:36,000
valerie said

2599
01:36:39,830 --> 01:36:37,760
it's a control system

2600
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,840
at least part of it may be that

2601
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:41,679
interacts with humans for whatever

2602
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:43,520
purpose they have in mind

2603
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:46,880
many scientists using quantum mechanics

2604
01:36:50,830 --> 01:36:48,719
mathematically derived are moving

2605
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:50,840
believe it or not in that

2606
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:53,040
direction yeah in general i want to do i

2607
01:36:58,390 --> 01:36:54,080
want to run

2608
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:58,400
heard because you just kind of sort of

2609
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,280
talked about it just a second ago um lou

2610
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:03,360
elizondo uh he's going to be on the show

2611
01:37:06,629 --> 01:37:05,280
eventually when he finishes book his

2612
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:06,639
book i'm in touch

2613
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:08,960
with his wife and coordinating that but

2614
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:11,520
i listened to him on um the theories of

2615
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:14,639
everything with kurt and he said

2616
01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,119
something along the lines were

2617
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:19,280
there what if there's something

2618
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:20,960
that's here

2619
01:37:27,030 --> 01:37:24,080
that would change our reality

2620
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:27,040
that um has a higher intelligence and

2621
01:37:30,790 --> 01:37:29,040
it's right with us the whole time yeah

2622
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,800
yeah well i post that question i

2623
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:32,960
resonate with that well i i didn't hear

2624
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:35,199
him say that but i i think they know

2625
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,880
that i think they know that that's the

2626
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:38,560
case and that's what i believe to be the

2627
01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,480
case i can't say that i know from like

2628
01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:42,320
the back of my hand please

2629
01:37:47,109 --> 01:37:45,119
that may not be true but he he you see

2630
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:47,119
it's a process as he says the process is

2631
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:49,520
not the event the disclosure

2632
01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,480
uh that's his words and it is a small

2633
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,480
step-wise process that's going to take

2634
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:55,920
time to evolve

2635
01:38:02,310 --> 01:37:58,400
uh it's a statement like that is part of

2636
01:38:03,270 --> 01:38:02,320
disclosure he knows i think he knows uh

2637
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:03,280
obviously

2638
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:06,639
we have someone but yeah yeah yeah

2639
01:38:09,830 --> 01:38:08,000
that's one of the first questions i'm

2640
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:09,840
going to ask him when i have them on uh

2641
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:12,080
we have of someone waiting on the phone

2642
01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:14,159
but i want to pop this question up there

2643
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:16,960
first this one's for you dave uh what's

2644
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,239
what's the ass

2645
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:20,719
what's with the atmospheric refraction

2646
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,480
mirage effect around the tick tock

2647
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,639
well you know tic-tac-toe yeah the tic

2648
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:28,159
tac um

2649
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:30,800
you know i think that uh jim slate

2650
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:33,600
mentioned that um in one of the few

2651
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:35,280
interviews he ever did

2652
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:38,320
um i believe he described that to

2653
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:41,360
um researcher robert powell of

2654
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,560
a scientific coalition for ufology um

2655
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:46,400
at least i i believe that was the first

2656
01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,239
time that i heard it and when i was

2657
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:50,960
doing the film i tried to to

2658
01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:52,480
model that a little bit it was it was

2659
01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:55,119
challenging to kind of um think of what

2660
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:57,600
he was trying to describe but what he he

2661
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:00,320
said was that there appeared to be

2662
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,080
um like a mirage effect um a

2663
01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:06,560
distortion of refraction around the

2664
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,040
outside of the craft i don't know that

2665
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:11,520
he gave it a color that it was glowing i

2666
01:39:16,390 --> 01:39:13,840
think he just said that he it seemed to

2667
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,400
look like a mirage around the the craft

2668
01:39:20,709 --> 01:39:18,400
and you know

2669
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:20,719
is that part of the propulsion system or

2670
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:23,440
is that because it's you know a plasma

2671
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,760
projection from a new countermeasure

2672
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:27,920
system i don't know i mean

2673
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:29,679
when i brought that up people have said

2674
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,239
oh yeah that's because this is an

2675
01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:34,239
anti-gravity craft and it's basically

2676
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:36,400
the propulsion system is creating a

2677
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,320
field of energy

2678
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:40,960
around that craft so that it can do it

2679
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:44,719
can perform this um you know hypersonic

2680
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,119
uh right angle turns with

2681
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:49,679
you know real reactionless propulsion

2682
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:50,639
and that

2683
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:53,199
field is like a distortion because of

2684
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:56,400
the bending of light in some way now i'm

2685
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,719
just like you know speculating here

2686
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,159
obviously but

2687
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:02,400
yeah and we get these mirages on a hot

2688
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:05,199
hot summer day while driving uh yeah and

2689
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:06,960
in other in other ways as well we're

2690
01:40:10,310 --> 01:40:08,800
talking about the same thing maybe you

2691
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,320
know it could be heat

2692
01:40:14,550 --> 01:40:12,239
size yeah he's signature of some sort

2693
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:14,560
sure yeah but it didn't show up as a

2694
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,840
heat signature

2695
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:17,520
right right yeah i guess

2696
01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:18,800
when you talk about the flare you don't

2697
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:22,960
see a huge glowing right right yeah

2698
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:25,760
we have robert on the line from delta

2699
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:28,000
british columbia robert welcome to the

2700
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:30,000
show

2701
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:31,920
thank you for having me

2702
01:40:37,430 --> 01:40:34,159
yes how are you you have a question for

2703
01:40:39,669 --> 01:40:37,440
one or both of our guests tonight

2704
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,679
well i i have a question

2705
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:41,280
uh for

2706
01:40:44,709 --> 01:40:42,960
uh

2707
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,719
as well as the host

2708
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:46,000
something i've been wondering for a

2709
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:47,199
while

2710
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,880
uh my question is um

2711
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,480
now i

2712
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:53,920
hear how

2713
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:56,880
one hand is uap phenomenon

2714
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:59,280
there's a material aspect to it

2715
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,280
and it's real evidence on the other hand

2716
01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:03,360
i hear that

2717
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:06,239
it often goes beyond corporal material

2718
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:09,280
to spiritual so i'm wondering

2719
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:10,000
uh

2720
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:11,040
even

2721
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:13,199
um mentioning how they could be related

2722
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:14,880
to um

2723
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:15,760
yes

2724
01:41:22,790 --> 01:41:21,119
of um

2725
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:22,800
uh ancient gods and stuff so i'm

2726
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:23,760
wondering

2727
01:41:28,070 --> 01:41:26,080
in europe in your opinion and the

2728
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,080
opinion of others

2729
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:30,719
are these uaps

2730
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:32,400
is there a remote even a remote

2731
01:41:38,149 --> 01:41:34,639
connection that the user gets

2732
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:38,159
spirits we're we're dealing with

2733
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:44,629
it's a good question and raises the

2734
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:47,040
issue of of our language and what

2735
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:48,639
criteria we use

2736
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,560
to define what we're talking about and

2737
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,639
and we really aren't very successful

2738
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:54,560
with that and and the more meaning we

2739
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,400
get from studying the phenomenon we'll

2740
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:58,880
be able to apply words that make sense

2741
01:42:02,870 --> 01:42:01,280
so it's and i i

2742
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:02,880
thankfully i thank you for that question

2743
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,280
because people use those same words

2744
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:07,600
interchangeably spirit maybe that's what

2745
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,880
the the the ufos sometimes you know

2746
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:13,119
refer to as uh

2747
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:14,560
call it whatever you want call it

2748
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:16,320
consciousness call it a physical craft

2749
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,320
from elsewhere there's a conscious

2750
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:19,840
component but

2751
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,880
uh

2752
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,800
could some of it could be spirit and

2753
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:24,480
non-spirit and you'd be talking about

2754
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:26,320
different things but what do we mean by

2755
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:29,280
that term spirit uh even the uap is

2756
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:31,280
ignomatic what do we mean

2757
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,199
enlighten this guy interact i like in

2758
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:37,280
aerial interacting phenomena or

2759
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:39,360
something like that and it does interact

2760
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:40,880
with us i think that should be part of

2761
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,800
the title so it doesn't really matter

2762
01:42:45,750 --> 01:42:44,159
what we call it

2763
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:45,760
but we're at the point where it's so

2764
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:47,920
complex we start playing games with the

2765
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:50,239
with the minutia of it and we and

2766
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:52,239
re-examining historical

2767
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:54,880
evidence to try to get at the truth i

2768
01:42:58,229 --> 01:42:56,719
think we share that all in common

2769
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:58,239
whether or not we agree on all issues

2770
01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:59,679
that's such another point we're entitled

2771
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,080
to our opinions uh i'm right and wrong

2772
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:03,760
we all are right and wrong but that's

2773
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:05,119
part of the issue let's do it

2774
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:07,440
professionally collegially and for the

2775
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,520
most part you see that within ufology

2776
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:11,679
but we have to become more more you know

2777
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:13,679
getting up the spiritual aspect of it

2778
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:16,560
for just a minute we have to get less

2779
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:19,040
fragmented and keep looking at that

2780
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:21,360
public support for

2781
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:22,159
uh

2782
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:23,760
studying the phenomenon because we're

2783
01:43:27,590 --> 01:43:25,119
not going to get it from those in the

2784
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,600
know the public housing has to drive it

2785
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:29,280
if we're going to get any answers we're

2786
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:31,119
at the same place as we were you know

2787
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:33,760
decades ago in terms of advancement and

2788
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,119
disclosure

2789
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:37,600
the hillebrand amendment is great for a

2790
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,080
small very very very small d a small

2791
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,000
initial part of the process we were

2792
01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:44,320
there back in the 60s and 70s the u.n

2793
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,719
hearings and all that it just it just

2794
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:48,639
said it's deja vu

2795
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:50,000
deja vu

2796
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:51,280
and i'm not holding my breath for

2797
01:43:56,870 --> 01:43:54,960
anything you you you you you apx or the

2798
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,880
other societies that looked at excuse me

2799
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:58,239
for not remembering them but you know

2800
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:59,760
i'm sorry the side of the coalition

2801
01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,760
hoffman's group and i know that i

2802
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:03,679
congratulate them tremendously gary

2803
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:07,520
voorhees is group and day uh uapx

2804
01:44:11,390 --> 01:44:09,520
look this is what we have to do but we

2805
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,400
do it in a more less fragmented

2806
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,199
multi-disciplinary way

2807
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:15,520
we get experts from many many different

2808
01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:17,679
fields anthropology philosophy

2809
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:20,159
psychology sociology you name it because

2810
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:21,760
it all interacts like certainly

2811
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:24,000
psychology and medical medicine

2812
01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:25,760
uh this is where we eventually need to

2813
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:28,320
go but at the public level they're doing

2814
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:30,080
that they're light years ahead of us

2815
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:31,760
somewhere in the pentagon or on the

2816
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:34,400
balance access program we know that um

2817
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,440
you think you're gonna get that

2818
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:37,600
information i don't i doubt it

2819
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:40,159
at least not in my lifetime uh unless i

2820
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,159
land on a white house law i hate to even

2821
01:44:46,830 --> 01:44:44,480
say that term it's how overused that is

2822
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:46,840
but that's what it's gonna take

2823
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:49,600
um uh and and when we do whenever that

2824
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:50,480
is

2825
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:53,840
with the public i'm getting off the

2826
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:55,840
topic i know but i think this

2827
01:44:58,530 --> 01:44:57,920
i just have to speak

2828
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:58,540
um

2829
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,679
[Music]

2830
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:02,159
people will be ready for it uh you know

2831
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:05,119
many people aren't i think so yeah not

2832
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:06,639
they can't be hit over their head with

2833
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:08,320
everything you know because what they

2834
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:10,639
know will knock a lot of socks though

2835
01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:11,840
yeah

2836
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:13,840
in the last the last four years have

2837
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:14,960
really

2838
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:20,080
and you see a huge surprise yeah and an

2839
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,080
example of the publix look at dave

2840
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:24,639
a broadcast journalist producer director

2841
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:26,639
the true professional emmy award winner

2842
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:28,400
it took him

2843
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:30,239
to do what he did how many people did he

2844
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:32,320
wake up look at the positive effects

2845
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:34,400
he's had look at the number of views the

2846
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:35,600
interest

2847
01:45:38,390 --> 01:45:37,199
of the passion that people have and he

2848
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:38,400
expressed it

2849
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:40,480
you know it's an open free society

2850
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:41,600
when do you think we get that

2851
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:43,280
information how long will we have to

2852
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:44,880
wait from the whatever government's

2853
01:45:48,390 --> 01:45:46,639
official from whatever bill amendment

2854
01:45:50,310 --> 01:45:48,400
whatever you want to call it would say

2855
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:50,320
would share that information it has to

2856
01:45:52,950 --> 01:45:51,440
come from

2857
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:52,960
the public

2858
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:55,520
sometimes just one individual like like

2859
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,600
dave let's not forget the importance of

2860
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:59,280
the nemesis encounters and and there's

2861
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:01,199
other fine productions as well you know

2862
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,679
that's contributed and i respect

2863
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:05,440
all of those who made

2864
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:07,360
the sacrifice of time and energy to try

2865
01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:09,119
to get at the bottom of it i mean

2866
01:46:18,629 --> 01:46:15,669
and i want to congratulate you for all

2867
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:18,639
you've done in this arena thank you

2868
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:20,560
well well that's very kind to you thank

2869
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:24,080
you uh well thanks for the call robert

2870
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:25,600
yeah i didn't answer your question but

2871
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:27,600
thanks for the call

2872
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:29,199
yeah

2873
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:30,880
i mean i mean my opinion there are some

2874
01:46:34,709 --> 01:46:32,800
commonalities between some of the

2875
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:34,719
spiritual um

2876
01:46:39,430 --> 01:46:37,440
observations and miracles and so on um

2877
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:39,440
my partner's doing a film actually on

2878
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:40,480
some of the

2879
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:41,920
sightings such as

2880
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:44,560
magic warrior where there were mass

2881
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:47,760
sightings of these objects and

2882
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:50,400
you know oftentimes communications

2883
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:52,719
with you know

2884
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:55,520
the angels so to speak um i think it's

2885
01:46:59,350 --> 01:46:57,920
the perception of the witness that may

2886
01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:59,360
see it that way but there's a lot of

2887
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:01,280
parallels i think to people that have

2888
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:03,760
these experiences with non-human you

2889
01:47:06,550 --> 01:47:04,639
know

2890
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,560
some some people say they're aliens

2891
01:47:10,229 --> 01:47:08,480
they're from another planet

2892
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:10,239
another star system

2893
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:12,320
but other people look at

2894
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:13,840
in a more spiritual way i think the

2895
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:15,760
encounters that they have and the

2896
01:47:20,790 --> 01:47:18,719
communications and messages and you know

2897
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:20,800
perhaps even precognitive looks at the

2898
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:21,760
future

2899
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:25,440
warnings of man's destiny if we don't

2900
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:26,719
improve our

2901
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,199
state i mean that is part of the ufo

2902
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,360
experience as well so

2903
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:33,360
you hear that a lot i i talk about that

2904
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:35,760
a lot because you you know the

2905
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,400
telepathy people seem to have

2906
01:47:42,709 --> 01:47:40,400
seems to all be no i mean i don't want

2907
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:42,719
to say all but mostly about taking care

2908
01:47:46,270 --> 01:47:45,119
of the planet which is is why i did that

2909
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,280
show on climate change

2910
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:48,400
[Laughter]

2911
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:51,040
but but anyway um i i do want to ask

2912
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:53,280
this question because i heard this term

2913
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:56,639
mentioned and that is uh a download

2914
01:48:00,070 --> 01:47:58,159
so i don't know if anyone wants to

2915
01:48:02,709 --> 01:48:00,080
tackle that i hear this term a lot

2916
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:02,719
download i hear grant cameron talk about

2917
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:05,440
it and yeah you know we hear inventors

2918
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:07,760
of the past like edison tesla even

2919
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:10,080
einstein we talked about this phenomenon

2920
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,440
the download i got the scissors

2921
01:48:14,790 --> 01:48:13,280
equipment yeah i wanted this idea for

2922
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:14,800
the lights

2923
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,719
yeah i wondered about tesla he had to

2924
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:18,400
have a download well

2925
01:48:23,109 --> 01:48:21,040
yeah and he he admits to it he he says

2926
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:23,119
uh they're humble in the sense that a

2927
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,480
lot of them get

2928
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:26,320
the inventors you know come and come

2929
01:48:29,910 --> 01:48:28,239
across his ideas they're very bright

2930
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:29,920
individuals but they're given

2931
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:31,360
information they should not have

2932
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:33,520
obtained utilizing their routine

2933
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:35,840
traditional senses like an animal

2934
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:37,360
knowing that there's a predator miles

2935
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,360
away without seeing hearing smelling

2936
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:41,440
using the senses knowing this and

2937
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:43,280
knowing this and and maybe that's what

2938
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:44,880
humans have the potential of we should

2939
01:48:48,870 --> 01:48:46,480
use that more maybe that's not a good

2940
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:48,880
feeling that sense of um

2941
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:50,000
i don't know

2942
01:48:53,109 --> 01:48:51,760
again the sciences are subjective it's

2943
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,119
what's needed to be integrated with the

2944
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:55,040
science of the physical in order to get

2945
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:57,600
at that that feeling we often have and

2946
01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:59,119
and the fact that we turn around look

2947
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:01,119
back and say i knew i shouldn't have

2948
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,480
done that i knew it i knew it and and we

2949
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:05,920
learned through experience unfortunately

2950
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:07,520
oftentimes the hard way and we all go

2951
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:09,280
through it you know just think about it

2952
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:11,119
synchronicities bring us to that area

2953
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:13,360
too that your insightfulness of looking

2954
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,400
at

2955
01:49:18,070 --> 01:49:16,320
why one should listen a little bit more

2956
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,080
to their gut feeling as we put it but

2957
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:20,560
the the essence of the truth we often

2958
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,239
ignore that the left brain takes over

2959
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:24,800
the ego suppresses that we don't go with

2960
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:26,320
the stomach and we learn the hard way

2961
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:28,400
whatever way that may be

2962
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:30,159
you know that night or 10 years down the

2963
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,960
road yeah so right we have a we do have

2964
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:34,719
a caller another caller rob from

2965
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,830
hi thanks for the

2966
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:42,480
show

2967
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:44,880
i was just i was just wondering if um

2968
01:49:49,350 --> 01:49:47,280
and i didn't get to hear the whole uh

2969
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:49,360
the whole show sorry about that

2970
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:50,400
but um

2971
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:52,000
i was wondering if

2972
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:53,440
there was um

2973
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:56,480
a lot of cases where people had

2974
01:50:02,629 --> 01:49:59,760
like ufo sightings perhaps uh around the

2975
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,639
time of a loved one's death

2976
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,080
is that something that

2977
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:06,080
you guys have heard before i never heard

2978
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,280
of that i never heard of that

2979
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,000
association around but what is often

2980
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,320
seen on deathbed visions

2981
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:14,639
uh associated with the death of a loved

2982
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:16,960
one when they see a spirit or ghostly

2983
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,119
image fogginess whatever uh leave

2984
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:23,440
the body you know at the time of

2985
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:26,880
physical death uh or that or the design

2986
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,199
the dying and the family members as well

2987
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:32,159
as hospice workers and medical doctors

2988
01:50:34,790 --> 01:50:33,040
see

2989
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:34,800
other beings

2990
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:36,960
in the room with the individual who

2991
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:38,560
report that that

2992
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:41,040
hospice workers studies dentistry 95 of

2993
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:44,080
them say it's unusual when when a dying

2994
01:50:48,149 --> 01:50:46,320
patient does not say they see the

2995
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:48,159
deceased relatives walking up and down

2996
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:49,440
their other side some of them see

2997
01:50:53,589 --> 01:50:51,119
relatives up and down touching them with

2998
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:53,599
their hand on one side the body friends

2999
01:50:57,589 --> 01:50:55,760
on the other side yeah and you get these

3000
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:57,599
reports i'm not saying this is this is

3001
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:58,800
what's going to happen to you and me

3002
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:01,040
that'd be nice way to go out yeah with

3003
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:02,639
the family around and there's some nice

3004
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:04,320
music in the background that you you're

3005
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,360
choosing right

3006
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:09,440
yes there's you know there's there's an

3007
01:51:14,149 --> 01:51:11,920
interesting uh um

3008
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:14,159
amount of research that whitley streiber

3009
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:17,040
and his wife ann his late wife ann

3010
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:19,360
conducted after the communion came out

3011
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:22,000
and they asked people to write them with

3012
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:24,080
experiences and one of the

3013
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:26,080
data points that they found was that

3014
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,880
many people that have experienced

3015
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:30,400
the so-called abduction

3016
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:33,199
phenomenon would encounter deceased

3017
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:36,480
loved ones in some cases

3018
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,920
they didn't even they might have been

3019
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:39,679
friends that they would encounter in

3020
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:42,320
these experiences so it was pretty

3021
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:43,520
unique and i don't think that has been

3022
01:51:50,070 --> 01:51:45,920
brought up much in the research

3023
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:51,990
yeah right we only had just to let you

3024
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:53,920
know we have two minutes left

3025
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:56,800
and uh thank you for the call uh rob um

3026
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:59,199
so we have two minutes left so i'd like

3027
01:52:03,669 --> 01:52:00,560
in these two minutes that we do have

3028
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:03,679
left if you want to uh talk about the

3029
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:05,920
film how people can eventually may be

3030
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:08,000
able to see it but um how they can help

3031
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,760
you out and where to find the links and

3032
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:11,360
all that i do have a link in my show

3033
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:13,760
notes to the conscious film i think it's

3034
01:52:16,629 --> 01:52:14,880
called the consciousness films

3035
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,639
film.intros where they could obtain

3036
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,400
information about the experts see the

3037
01:52:23,750 --> 01:52:20,400
concepts involved questions we were

3038
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:23,760
asking uh and and if people want to uh

3039
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:26,560
subscribe that would be wonderful uh to

3040
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:30,080
and and like and uh do all that stuff

3041
01:52:33,589 --> 01:52:31,599
that uh

3042
01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:33,599
you know if they resonate with it that

3043
01:52:38,229 --> 01:52:35,520
you should do share your opinion and

3044
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:38,239
also financially uh support us if you

3045
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:40,639
resonate with with the message here we

3046
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:42,719
don't want to beg and ask for everybody

3047
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:44,000
please give us money that's not the

3048
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:46,719
point only if you feel really if you

3049
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:48,320
want to give us money please do so

3050
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:50,159
whatever for whatever reason but

3051
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:52,880
especially is important to us that you

3052
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:54,239
resonate with it and you feel like

3053
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:55,840
you're contributing something important

3054
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:58,080
that we all share too dave and i we want

3055
01:53:01,910 --> 01:53:00,080
to as a passion project we spent a lot

3056
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,920
of money on our own individually because

3057
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:03,679
we believe with fierce determination

3058
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:05,760
that this is important for a paradigm

3059
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,119
shift to occur

3060
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:09,840
and we have a lot of experts on board

3061
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:12,400
okay well we're out of time and i i do

3062
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:15,119
want to say that dave makes wonderful

3063
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:16,800
films so

3064
01:53:20,550 --> 01:53:19,679
the qual quality is top-notch top-notch

3065
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:20,560
yes

3066
01:53:23,589 --> 01:53:22,159
i'm glad you chose him really glad it

3067
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,599
worked thank you

3068
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:25,520
so much yeah we appreciate that yeah

3069
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:27,280
that's right we'll talk about these

3070
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,040
interesting subjects

3071
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:31,199
thank you so much all right take care

3072
01:53:36,390 --> 01:53:34,239
both of you all right so we will be back

3073
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:36,400
next week i have to pronounce his name

3074
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:37,599
and it is

3075
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:40,480
ooh deuce i just dropped it um

3076
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:41,840
alan

3077
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:46,800
it's about uh next week it's about a

3078
01:53:51,589 --> 01:53:49,599
film that he's make made and it's about

3079
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,599
get this the ufo

3080
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:53,679
bigfoot connection i know that sounds

3081
01:53:57,430 --> 01:53:55,599
really weird but there's a lot of people

3082
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:57,440
who have talked about that type of

3083
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:00,159
situation thank you everyone very much

3084
01:54:05,420 --> 01:54:03,040
and again we'll be back next week and

3085
01:54:16,670 --> 01:54:05,430
keep your eyes to the sky